Talk:New York State Route 311

Change of Intersection Template

This article was changed to bring its intersection template to the NYint format. No other changes were made. It is important to verify, update and/or correct as necessary. Fwgoebel 19:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

GA review

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   Prose is acceptable, but a bit twisty at points. Lead needs to not repeat verbatim the content in the History section.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   I'd like a bit more information on what the route goes by, if possible.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments

• Usually the lead summarizes the article. Right now, it repeats verbatim a number of the sentences in the article, which makes reading the article a bit redundant.You might rework and condense the lead a bit, it's a bit large for the amount of actual body text.The whole second paragraph of the lede is repeated in the History section (with a couple extra sentences). Done
• Some information in the lede is opinion (relatively populous Lake Carmel) Done
• What does "Originally signed" mean? Total lack of context to the non-road fan.
  • It means that's what the route was originally signed/posted as. To me this is self-explanatory - "originally" as in this is what was first there, "signed" as in this is what was posted along the route. See reassurance marker if this is still unclear. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 16:30, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

And yet, to me, when I read it, I thought it meant signed as in signing a signature or other writing. Not everyone is a road fan. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:50, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I honestly doubt all non-roadfans will have difficulty grasping the point of "originally signed". Anyway, it appears to have been changed in the article (not by me) so I suppose it's now a non-issue. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 16:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

• Any reason the road was realigned? And why were roads renumbered in 1930?
  • Up until the late 1930s, what is now NY 52 in the vicinity of Lake Carmel wasn't there. When it was constructed, the state likely believed that the alignment was more deserving of the lower route number (and thus should be the through route) - it was NY 216. With NY 52 now on its current alignment, it was then necessary to extend 311 over its former routing to keep the roadway as a signed state highway. But that's all speculation. As for 1930 - there isn't much more reasoning behind it than the state decided to do it. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 16:30, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Typical government, okies. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:50, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

• Does the road pass any historic sites? Parks? Cross over rivers, streams of note? As the article reads now it's pretty skimpy, any expansion would be good.

I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on.

Thanks for the review. I got the lead issues fixed. Although, because it is a fairly minor route, it doesn't have much of anything to expand it with. Anything that the route passes by is already in the article. Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 16:16, 8 April 2008 (UTC)