Talk:New York State Route 383

What Route does 383 take between Scottsville Rd. and Brooks Ave.?

According to this article, and this map (PDF), Route 383 follows Scottsvilee Rd. to its northern terminus, turns east onto Elmwood Ave. for a fraction of a mile, then north on Plymouth Ave. Yahoo! maps and Google maps (and Google Earth) show 383 using Genesee St. instead of Plymouth between Elmwood and Brooks. No doubt this is because Plymouth south of Brooks is being removed to make way for Brooks Landing, but I'm surprised I haven't heard anything about re-routing 383 to accomodate the project. Powers ^T 20:10, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

The route is signed as the map indicates: traveling Scottsville to Elmwood to Plymouth (including a very old "383" shield just north of the Elmwood/Plymouth intersection on Plymouth). Haven't heard anything about the Brooks Landing project, but that's probably just my inability to watch the Rochester news for longer than 10 minutes. =) Maybe Yahoo and Google are anticipating the change ahead of time. Also, I've always believed it followed the Scottsville-Elmwood-Plymouth routing.

...and then I look at the 2003 traffic report for Monroe County, found here (another PDF). From this, it could follow Genesee Street, although it is a bit vague in saying so. I dunno, but I've never seen a reference marker on Genesee Street myself. (Then again, NY 17M has no reference markers in Middletown...) --TMF ^{T - C} 21:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Well apparently Plymouth is discontinuous right now; just a big mound of dirt south of Brooks. I don't see how 383 could take that route anymore. =) Powers ^T 15:53, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Wow, shows how out of touch I am with my own city. =) I need to read up on this...maybe a Google search will help. In any case, since Plymouth is, for all purposes, gone south of Brooks, this should probably be noted in the history section regarding the future realignment (which appears to be Genesee Street). Since you know more about the future Brooks Landing than I do, Powers, I believe that you'd be best suited to write this note. --TMF ^{T - C} 16:51, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't know much, and I have zero verifiable information on the route of 383. Powers ^T 19:26, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Here's an interesting piece from 2004 that detailed what work would occur on Plymouth: [1] Whether or not these plans stayed the same the past two years, I dunno. But in any case, according to this, Plymouth will remain open as a thru street via a parking lot. Not exactly state-road quality, if you ask me. =) Also, the NYS GIS maps are inconclusive, as the maps have a pair of NY 383 shields on Scottsville Road south of Elmwood and another on Plymouth north of Brooks, but nothing in between. Finally, a search on NYSDOT's site for both Brooks Landing and Route 383 came up empty. This is a good question that may only be answered with time. --TMF ^{T - C} 21:54, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Yesterday I drove south along 383 from downtown. Plymouth just curves right into Brooks now; an unfamiliar driver might not even notice the change. Zero indication of where 383 goes, as far as I can tell; if 383 has been rerouted, the new signs are definitely not up yet. If it hasn't been rerouted, then it's discontinuous right now. Powers ^T 13:15, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. Maybe NYSDOT forgot about 383. =) Seriously, this is the kind of information that should be noted (the fact that Plymouth is no longer a thru street). As for the routing, I don't think we'd be speculating too much by saying that Genesee Street is the new routing of 383, since it begins where Scottsville Road ends and intersects Brooks Ave. --TMF ^{T - C} 18:03, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Looking at the 2005 NYSDOT traffic counts report, it looks like the segment length of NY 383 from the Rochester city line to the intersection of S. Plymouth Ave and Brooks Ave decreased by 0.2 miles compared to the 2003 report. The routing along Genesee St then right at Brooks Ave matches the new length perfectly. --Polaron | Talk 20:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:New York State Route 383/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Comments:

1. "Monroe and Livingston Counties", counties should be in lowercase here.

   This topic is currently being debated at the US 41 in MI FAC. I don't know which is right, but I can't find any guidance in the MOS either way. For the time being, I have left it as it was.

2. "before it ultimately enters open fields once again", do not need the word ultimately.

   Reworded.

3. In the sentence "In Chili, NY 383 begins to run along the western bank of the Genesee River ahead of an intersection with NY 252." change "ahead of" to "before".

   Upon re-reading that piece, the original didn't make much sense so I rewrote much of that section.

4. "CSX Transportation West Shore Subdivision": do not have two wikilinks together. Instead say "CSX Transportation's West Shore Subdivision".

   Reworded sentence to further distance them.

5. "the Genesee" sounds colliqual.

   Changed to "the river".

6. When describing progression of route, do not use "then".

   Eliminated all but one in the route description, where I couldn't think of any wording that wouldn't make the sentence choppy.

7. The sentence "NY 383 continues north on Plymouth Avenue through densely populated sections of the city to Ford Street, then shifts eastward to Exchange Boulevard." sounds awkward.

   Heh, that's the sentence I couldn't reword above. =) Hmm...I thought of a better wording just now, so I rewrote it, eliminating the last RD use of "then" as well.

8. In phrase "On Exchange Boulevard, Route 383 follows the Genesee's west bank under the Troup-Howell Bridge", change "on" to "along".

   Like above, the original didn't make much sense when I re-read it, especially in conjunction with the rewritten sentence relating to Ford Street. I've rewritten most of that sentence.

9. In History section, do not link terms already linked in route description.

   I'm of the understanding that this practice is fine. The one item on WP:OVERLINK that I note is "Avoiding duplicate links in the same section of an article is generally a safe rule of thumb," and as far as I'm aware this article complies with that suggestion.

10. "Between the hamlet of Mumford and Scottsville": "hamlet" should be pluralized.

    Oops. =) Fixed.

11. "overlapped NY 35". Again, do not have two wikilinks together, perhaps used "ran concurrent with NY 35".

    Fixed.

12. "In 1938, U.S. Route 20 was rerouted between Buffalo and Avon to follow NY 35.": Rephrase to say "In 1938, U.S. Route 20 was rerouted to follow NY 35 between Buffalo and Avon."

    That does sound much better. Fixed.

13. If known, street names should be added to the Major intersections table.

    Added the ones used at some point in the article to the junction list.

I am placing the article on hold Dough4872 (talk) 00:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

That was a very good review, much better than ones I've seen on GAN lately. Thanks! – TMF 04:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Passing. Dough4872 (talk) 14:15, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

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