Talk:New York Yacht Club Building/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk · contribs) 13:44, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm a glutton for punishment; I'll take a look at this Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 13:44, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Prelim

• 1983 America's Cup, Town & Country (magazine), and J. P. Morgan are duplicated links
  • Removed. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• Images are correctly licensed
• No edit wars
• Earwig reports copyvio unlikely

Lede and infobox

• Link facade
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• "bay windows that resemble ships" Suggest adding that they resemble the sterns of ships rather than the whole thing
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• "Many of the facade and interior decorations carry a maritime theme." Might be appropriate to mention this earlier in the lede? Seems an important aspect of the design
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• Are the NYSRHP and NYCL numbers referenced anywhere?
  • The NYSRHP number is backed up by the source that was also used to back up the date. However, the NYCL number and date weren't sourced anywhere, so I have added a footnote now. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• Not sure main text specifically says construction began in 1899?
  • It does not. I'm actually not sure when construction started, but it was at some point between December 1898 and 1900. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Site

• "all of which remained in the area at the end of the 20th century." What's the meaning of this? Do they not still remain?
  • Two or three stables remained in the area around 2001. One of them was demolished to make way for the Harvard Club of New York in the early 2000s, while another stable was mostly demolished except for its frame at some point afterward. The third former stable (and the only one that's still fully structurally intact) is the annex to the Algonquin Hotel, but that was converted to hotel use long ago, so sources disagree on whether this actually counts as a stable building. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Architecture

• Interesting that there's not a more precise date for completion/opening?
  • Technically, it held its first meeting on January 15, 1901, and opened to all members four days later. This detail is referenced later on in the article, under "History" Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• "It contains a facade of finely-grained stone" What does, the building or the mansard roof?
  • The building. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• Perhaps mention earlier on that the stone used is limestone? (and link it)
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• The wording of the description of the brick facade made me assume that this was a description of what might have been but did not come about, not a description of what the building is still like now
  • Currently, there is a brick wall along the building's perimeter, which is completely covered by limestone cladding. The original plan was to use limestone cladding only on the first four stories, and the brick would have been exposed on the upper stories. The plans were changed at some point so that the entire exterior uses limestone cladding, with the brick being hidden from view. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• "the second-floor model room" You haven't mentioned this yet, so link ship model here
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• Link podium
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• The plural of Man-of-war is men-of-war
  • Done. I was wondering about that, but I didn't want to assume that "man-of-war" was pluralized in the same way as "man" was (kind of like "talismans" vs. "talisman"). Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• "Immediately inside the main entrance" does this mean there are other entrances?
  • I think there's a second entrance (an emergency exit) from the basement. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• Are you considering the vestibule the same thing as the entrance hall? I would have thought those different entities
  • Yes. I've rephrased this now. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• "a narrow staircase on descended" needs rejigging
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• Link billiards
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• "which were meant to evoke"
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• Gimcrack is a horse not a ship
  • I thought you were saying "the NYYC was founded on a horse" and was confused, but then I realized that the link is wrong. I've removed the link. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• "When the billiards room was converted to a bar" do we know when?
  • I do not know the exact date, but it was sometime after the Second World War. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• What kind of trophy room? Sailing, military?
  • A sailing trophy room. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• Link commissioned
• "as well as a"
  • I rephrased the sentence because it was a list with several items. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• Link burgee
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• Suggest not repeating "massive fireplace" twice
  • Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• Who's John C. Stevens?
  • Apparently I'm stupid because he already has an article, but he was the NYYC's first commodore. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

History

• "October 27, 1898" No need to repeat the year
  • Removed. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• Link commodore
  • I linked it above. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• "December 1898" repeated year
  • Removed. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• "January 29, 1901" repeated year
  • Removed. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
• What were the alteration plans?
  • Sadly, the source doesn't specify. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Critical reception

• Link sybarite
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 23:17, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

References

• I think it would be better to organise the reference consistently, e.g. take the long form references out of the citations list and add them to the sources list, leaving short citations in their place
• References look good. AGF on print sources.

@Epicgenius: Hi, that's all I have for now. Will await your responses. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 15:24, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the review @Pickersgill-Cunliffe. I'll have these done by tomorrow. To comment briefly on the reference format, however—typically I tend to group web and news sources in the "citations" section, and I use the shortened footnotes only if I'm citing books and magazines with multiple pages. I've done this in the past, on articles like New York Stock Exchange Building, where I combine both short references for {{Cite book}} citations and long-form references for {{Cite web}}/{{Cite news}} style citations.

Everything else looks like it can be relatively easily resolved, so I will fix these after work. Epicgenius (talk) 18:23, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Pickersgill-Cunliffe, thanks again for the review. I've addressed all of these issues now, except for the reference issue. Epicgenius (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: Passing this article as satisfying the GA criteria. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 12:41, 3 August 2023 (UTC)