Talk:Newmarket

Rename disambiguation page

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move both pages. Mindmatrix 13:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

• Rename: Newmarket → Newmarket, Suffolk
• Rename: Newmarket (disambiguation) → Newmarket

The current article at Newmarket is one of three sufficiently and equally prominent locations with that name. Per Wikipedia:Disambiguation and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages), none of these satisfies the criteria of primary usage, hence the plain page title should be used as the disambiguation page. The current article at Newmarket should thus be moved to Newmarket, Suffolk, which currently redirects to Newmarket, to prepare for this. Mindmatrix 20:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

• Support as nominator. Mindmatrix 20:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
• Support per nom, though I strongly suspect that the misguided and incorrect notion that the one in Suffolk should get precedence over a dab page just because it had the name first is going to get cited here. Bearcat (talk) 21:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
• Support. A Google search indicates that there is no clear primary use. Skeezix1000 (talk) 21:15, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
• Support - the primary notability of the England Newmarket is Newmarket Racecourse which is covered separately. Beyond that, there are an awful lot of other Newmarkets that users could be searching for. Franamax (talk) 00:07, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
• Support - Newmarket, Suffolk, is likely the original Newmarket but it is neither a unique nor clever name and is not the predominant use of the name. DoubleBlue (Talk) 02:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Please submit extended comments about the page move here.

• Oh no, not again. --RFBailey (talk) 22:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

There are a few differences here. WP:CANSTYLE contains the naming conventions used by Canadian editors, which does not include a restriction of naming articles as Placename, Province as there is with the US placename articles (see convention). Thus, Newmarket, Ontario is a viable candidate to be named Newmarket, and hence this discussion is quite valid.

Further, whereas the discussion for Worcester may have gone one way, that for Windsor was quite different. Also, simply because a place has existed for a long time does not imply it is historically significant; it's just old. To be significant, it should have had lasting influence beyond its borders. To use an example from the discussion you mentioned, Jerusalem and Babylon are historically significant for this reason. So are Rome, Ankara and Beijing. In my opinion, neither Worcester nor Newmarket qualify, and a dab page is desirable. Mindmatrix 23:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Proposed merge for New Market and Newmarket

I would like to combine the DABs for New Market and Newmarket.

• I think it would make searching easier.
• Etymologically the two are the same.
• It leads to simplifying other DABs such as New Market Historic District, which I would also like to combine, but will leave that aside for now (or take to its own talk page).

I propose:

• Move/copy all the DAB entries from Newmarket to New Market (disambiguation)
• Redirect Newmarket to New Market (disambiguation)
• Change the redirect Newmarket (disambiguation) to redirect to New Market (disambiguation)
• Optionally, move/copy the DAB entries from New Market Historic District to New Market (disambiguation) and make it a redirect.

The reasoning for this specific proposal is that New Market (disambiguation) is already clearly a disambiguation page from its title, whereas the other three are not; they can be redirected to it but it then still allows others to argue PRIMARY for any of them.

In the alternate, at least I would like to move the Newmarket disambiguation page to Newmarket (disambiguation) i.e. reverse the redirect, which then allows for discussing whether there is a primary topic for Newmarket. I would argue that Newmarket, Suffolk is primary as the "world home of horse racing" but that argument can be made separately, and while I doubt any other UK place would be claimed as primary, other places around the world might be, hence presumably the situation we have now in the first place.

Has anyone any views on this? I will point here from the other DAB pages. Please excuse the overlinking here but I wanted to be quite clear exactly which articles I meant.

Best wishes Si Trew (talk) 06:05, 24 November 2009 (UTC)