Talk:Nick Ut

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As someone who is about the same age as Kim Phuc (1 year younger), I have found the image taken by Ut as being a compelling reason for thinking long and hard about conducting war in a civilian population area. The subsequent life of Kim Phuc as an ambassador of peace and her forgiveness of the US army personnel who ordered the attack only go to strengthen the poignancy of the picture.

I don't think we can make a case for fair use for the Pulitzer Prize winning photo by Nick Ut with AP of Kim Phuc running from bombs. Ut's life was on the line and AP paid to have him there. They are entitled to whatever royalties they can get unless they have released the photo to the public domain. Further, [1] says VNAF did the bombing, not the U.S. -- ke4roh 17:47, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)

Please see fair use. No photographer or other creator is entitled to fees for fair use of their work - it's not one of the rights the law grants them. The article doesn't say that the US did the bombing. Jamesday 03:19, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Image deleted after discussion on VfD. It is still in copyright and cannot be taken as 'fair use' as WP is aware that copyright still exists and is enforced by AP. I am aware that it would be nice to have it here but that's the way it is --VampWillow 23:04, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Photo page nows shows AP have apparently given permission. Thanks ! --195.137.93.171 (talk) 00:47, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Date of birth

Was "Nick" born in 1951 - which seems more likely given the material in the article - or in 1933 as mentioned in the inset? 72.192.80.12 23:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting that, I have changed the infobox to reflect the date in the article. An article here seems to back up the 1951 date, and discusses a timeline of his career which is consistent with that date. Another source here also lists 1951 as the date. --TeaDrinker 23:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Odd Kim Phuc/Paris Hilton Coincidence

Not too sure how this bit of trivia should be handled, but not only has Kim Ut taken an iconic photo of the horror of war with Kim Phuc and the absurdity of celebrity of Paris Hilton, but check the dates on the photos. The Kim Phuc photo was taken on June 8, 1972. The Paris Hilton photo was taken on June 8, 2007. 35 years to the day! How can that bizarre coincidence be integrated into the Wiki article? --SpyMagician 17:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

BTW, for those interested, the Paris Hilton photo is here as well as here (though I think this second one will be deleted from Yahoo's servers after a while). What a bizarre coincidence, though. zafiroblue05 | Talk 00:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Move proposal

Proposal: move to Nick Ut - professional name he uses and is known by for his photo and other work. Badagnani 08:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was suppoet for move. Appears to be the common name used in English.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:21, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

Huỳnh Công Út → Nick Ut — Naming conventions, name by which he is generally known, clearly so stated in text, clearly used in the sources. Previous undiscussed, unreferenced move from what was proper as alternative English name Huynh Cong Ut and resulting edits to redirects prevent move. — Gene Nygaard (talk) 17:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Survey

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• Support - This is the name by which he is known professionally. Badagnani (talk) 17:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

I've tried a new version of the lede, putting his full Vietnamese name first. "Née" is wrong as it is a French feminine ending. "Né" is correct in French, but not really used in English. I was not sure about "born Huynh Cong Ut" because he may not have been known by that name at birth, there being old Vietnamese customs of renaming people when they reach adulthood, and I have no idea whether that applied during his youth and in his home region. I think it's OK for the first name given to vary from the name in the article title. Itsmejudith (talk) 10:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Country of Birth

In 1951, Vietnam had yet to exist, as it was still part of French Indochina in 1951. Should the birth place of the subject of this article be changed? --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 08:37, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Separate Article for photo

The Terror of War should have an article for itself, just as many other famous photos do. Sdkb (talk) 08:06, 17 November 2019 (UTC)