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Reviewer: Status (talk · contribs) 19:06, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Lead
edit- Seems like it could be expanded on a bit more.
Background
edit- KMFDM had finished their "Angstfest" tour in support of Angst in 1994 --> KMFDM had finished their Angstfest tour in support of Angst in 1994.
- Background doesn't seem to flow very well; just reads as a bunch of facts put together. Try fluffing it out a bit.
Production
edit- Doesn't seem like "Nihil is one of only two KMFDM studio albums (Opium being the other) that does not feature cover artwork by pop-artist Brute!. Instead, the cover was designed by Rieflin's wife Francesca Sundsten." belongs in a production section. Maybe if it was retitled to "production and artwork". Additionally, the last sentence is unsourced.
Release
edit- The bit rate of the sample needs to be reduced to around 54, per the sample guidelines.
Critical reception
edit- Nihil received very favorable reviews. --> Nihil received very favorable reviews from music critics.
- No --> number
- called --> labelled
References
edit- A few issues with the references. TV.com and Allmusic aren't magazines or published sources, so they should not be in italics. Make sure this is addressed throughout the article.
- Ref 13 --> Should be like ref 20
Thanks for the review! It will probably take me a while to bulk up the background section, but I can address two issues right now:
- "No." is actually the correct format per WP:MOS.
- I don't think the sentence "The band would return to using Brute!'s work on the next album, Xtort." needs a ref, since clicking that wikilink shows the album cover.
The rest I will start working on. Thanks again! —Torchiest talkedits 19:56, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you for letting me know about "No." I've been saying this is a lot of reviews. Oops. xD Statυs (talk) 20:20, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
- What do you think about the changes I've made? Do you think moving the part about the artwork to background and rewriting the rest of it improves the flow enough? —Torchiest talkedits 20:45, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, it looks good to me. Maybe also mention a bit about their last album. Maybe also reword "Sascha Konietzko and Günter Schulz worked with former KMFDM member Raymond "Pig" Watts on an EP entitled Sin Sex & Salvation" like "Sascha Konietzko and Günter Schulz, who produced Nihil, previously worked with former KMFDM member Raymond "Pig" Watts on an EP entitled Sin Sex & Salvation" Statυs (talk) 21:09, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, I added a few more details to those two areas. Schulz didn't actually do regular production, so I clarified that and then added info about Konietzko and Shepard into the production section instead of background. —Torchiest talkedits 04:17, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Second lookthrough
edit- The background section is for information about what happened before the production of the album. So the information about the album cover is irrelevant here. I think release would be the best place to put it. Also, It should probably be retitled "background and development".
- A handful of other studio musicians were brought in to help in a very limited capacity. --> Unsourced
- Nihil is one of only two KMFDM studio albums (Opium being the other) that does not feature cover artwork by pop-artist Brute!. and The band would return to using Brute!'s work on the next album, Xtort. --> Need sources
- Everything else looks good to me; I'm just not 100% happy on the whole background part of the article.
- I added sources for Brute! and the horn players, and moved the artwork to the release section. I also added some more background information, but I don't feel like there's really any information on "development" that would necessitate renaming the section. Anything like that is in the next section. What do you think? —Torchiest talkedits 03:51, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- Looks better. I still just feel like something is missing. As someone who isn't familiar with the group, I'm just not getting the full picture, if you know what I mean. Are Sascha Konietzko and En Esch guitarists for the band? It might bring a little more light to "with a live act that sometimes had four guitarists playing at once". Statυs (talk) 03:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, I understand what you're saying now. As someone who has been a fan for going on twenty years, it's easy to take a lot of information for granted. I'll do some digging and get some more information in there. —Torchiest talkedits 04:05, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- Haha, yes, exactly. I suggest you do something like that for all these types of articles. As WP:ALBUMS states: "It should not be assumed that the reader is familiar with the artist's history and/or previously released albums." Statυs (talk) 04:13, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, I think I've clarified everyone's roles in the band at this point, and added a little more history. Is it making sense to the layman now? :) —Torchiest talkedits 04:27, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- Haha, yes, exactly. I suggest you do something like that for all these types of articles. As WP:ALBUMS states: "It should not be assumed that the reader is familiar with the artist's history and/or previously released albums." Statυs (talk) 04:13, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, I understand what you're saying now. As someone who has been a fan for going on twenty years, it's easy to take a lot of information for granted. I'll do some digging and get some more information in there. —Torchiest talkedits 04:05, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- Looks better. I still just feel like something is missing. As someone who isn't familiar with the group, I'm just not getting the full picture, if you know what I mean. Are Sascha Konietzko and En Esch guitarists for the band? It might bring a little more light to "with a live act that sometimes had four guitarists playing at once". Statυs (talk) 03:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- Much better. I now feel confident in passing the article. Great work! Statυs (talk) 04:34, 20 July 2012 (UTC)