Talk:Nine Lyric Poets

history of lyric poetry

Obviously this article should include a brief history of Greek Lyric poetry. A good starting point is Jebb's work on Bacchylides - for anyone interested (not me just yet) but resource-challenged (like me unfortunately) here is a copy: Google digitalized version Amphitryoniades (talk) 00:44, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Nine muses pic

Why is a picture of the nine muses in this article? Are they associated with the Nine Lyric Poets any more closely than simply being "considered the source of the knowledge, related orally for centuries in the ancient culture, that was contained in poetic lyrics and myths"? If not, they probably should be replaced by depictions of some of these specific poets (which can be found in the individual articles). - dcljr (talk) 23:51, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Was about to make another section about this; indeed, this picture has not much to do with the article. Maybe if someone found a ref explaining that there were nine to match the nine muses, but else, it seems quite useless. Will remove it, at least until someone finds a justification. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 14:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Capitalisation of nine lyric poets

I believe the article should be moved to Nine lyric poets as WP:MOSCAPS recommends not capitalising common nouns. Recent books seem to use nine lyric poets, e.g.

• Gerardus Joannes Vossius: Poeticarum institutionum libri - Page 1115 = Jan Bloemendal - 2010
• A Companion to the Greek Lyric Poets - Page 243 - Douglas E. Gerber - 1997

TSventon (talk) 11:37, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 16 September 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) -- Calidum 15:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

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Nine Lyric Poets → Nine lyric poets – WP:MOSCAPS recommends not capitalising common nouns. I recommended this at Talk:Nine Lyric Poets#Capitalisation of nine lyric poets. Page previously moved on 15 January 2014 without discussion by an editor who is no longer active. TSventon (talk) 08:01, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:53, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

• @TSventon and Necrothesp: queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:54, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Effectively this is a proper name. They are the Nine Lyric Poets, not just nine lyric poets. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:10, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support (as nominator) @Necrothesp: The lead of WP:MOSCAPS says "Wikipedia relies on sources to determine what is conventionally capitalized; only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia."

The "Nine Lyric Poets" are not consistently capitalised:

out of 52 results of a JSTOR search for "Nine Lyric Poets" the previewed text showed "nine lyric poets" 17 times; "Nine Lyric Poets" 2 times and "nine Lyric Poets" 1 time.

2 recent results from Google books noted above use "nine lyric poets" Gerardus Joannes Vossius: Poeticarum institutionum libri - Page 1115 - Jan Bloemendal - 2010 and A Companion to the Greek Lyric Poets - Page 243 - Douglas E. Gerber - 1997 TSventon (talk) 10:50, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Oppose. While both versions seem to be in general use, and there might even be a statistical edge for the non-capitalized version, this does seem to be a proper name. They're not just any nine lyric poets; they're the Nine Lyric Poets, like the Three Wise Men, the Nine Worthies, the Four Noble Truths, the Five Families, the Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors, the Seven Wonders of the World, the Seven Sages, or the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. I don't see any grammatical distinction between these groups and the Nine Lyric Poets. P Aculeius (talk) 14:00, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. These are a particular nine poets. Uncapitalised it means any nine lyric poets. Andrewa (talk) 17:03, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

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