Talk:Nine men's morris

double mill

This term and strategic meaning is missing. See de:Zwickmühle_(Mühlespiel) --Manorainjan (talk) 11:18, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 23 December 2017

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Not moved. bd2412 T 21:13, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

• Nine Men's Morris → Nine men's morris
• Three Men's Morris → Three men's morris

– Per WP:NCCAPS, MOS:CAPS, MOS:PN (and MOS:CUE, to the extent it covers similar table-based games, which is explicitly the intent), as well as WP:CONSISTENCY with the rest of the articles on traditional games. These are not proper names, nor do they contain any. We never capitalise the names of traditional games and sports, only trademarked ones (chess, poker, cricket, football, billiards, etc., etc., but Final Fantasy VI, Dungeons & Dragons, and – see above – the trademarked version of this very game, Ting Tang Tong), except where they contain a proper name (English billiards, etc.). "Morris" in these names is not the name Morris (variant of Maurice), nor (as in Morris dancing) a variant of Moorish); it's a corruption of Latin merellus ('game-piece'). Reliable sources that do not rampantly over-capitalise all game names routinely lower-case this as with all other traditional games and sports. PS: Article text needs to be cleaned up throughout, also often over-capitalizing names of game pieces, moves, strategies, and other common-noun-phrase gaming terminology that should not have capital letters.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ<  19:49, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

This seems wrong & extreme. Policy says to use what's predominantly found in RSs, & the preponderance in RSs is "Nine Men's Moris". There are many similar cases (e.g. Chinese Checkers, Game of the Three Kingdoms, many others). It's an overgeneralization to say that only trademarked games are capitalized, there are lots of exceptions (e.g. Chess960 isn't trademarked, always capped; ditto Grand Chess). Sometimes a game inventor without trademark has a preference, too (e.g. Onyx). --IHTS (talk) 20:59, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose per IHTS for now. And per most familiar name, the most familiar being upper-cased. The lower-cased version seems wrong when you look at it, and actually if this is passed then the entire name would have to be lower-cased as "nine men's morris" which doesn't even make sense except to Shakespeare, who lower-cased it in the 17th century. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:53, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
• Comment. Go is a traditional board game w/ roughly half RSs supporting lowercase, half supporting uppercase. But see the many lengthy discussions at Talk:Go (board game) & in the article's Talk archives, where capping has won out. (Personally, I support/supported lowercase when participating in at least a couple of those discussions. SMcCandlish, since half the RSs support your view in that case, and if your argument has strong merit, then how about advocating it there to help overturn the current consensus?) --IHTS (talk) 07:26, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

  Game of the Goose renamed to "game of the goose"?! --IHTS (talk) 18:36, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

  SMcCandlish, if memory serves, are you the editor who previously proposed renaming all chess openings articles, e.g. King's Gambit to "king's gambit"? --IHTS (talk) 18:39, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

  Yes, you are. Talk:Queen's Gambit#Contested move request. --IHTS (talk) 17:38, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

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RfC

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

An RfC has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters#RfC: Capitalisation of traditional game/sports terminology, since the RM above drew insufficient participation to achieve consensus (though it was arguably a speedy candidate – guidelines like WP:NCCAPS and MOS:CAPS do not need to be "ratified" on an article by article basis. I'm using RfC because editwarring against guideline compliance has broken out at other game articles on the faulty basis that the failure of this low-participation RM, above, to arrive at a consensus indicates a new consensus against lower-casing game names and terms and for upper-casing them, which it very definitely does not.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ<  01:36, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Name for "double mill"?

Does a position like the one shown in the article, where one player can alternatively form two mills, have a specific name in English? In German it is called "Zwickmühle", just like the windmill in chess (where "Mühle" translates to mill). So I wonder if these positions in Nine Men's Morris may also be called "windmills" or "seesaws" in English, in analogy to the chess tactic? 2003:E7:7717:5099:A59D:525D:CDAD:87EC (talk) 05:05, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Page redirect

"Three mens morris" redirects to Nine men's morris instead of Three men's morris. Should this be corrected? StewFor2Dollars (talk) 18:22, 30 September 2023 (UTC)