Talk:Njörðr

Ring oath

You're off to a good start. Remember to include the reference in the ring oath. Haukur (talk) 16:59, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I figured I may as well upload what I had written so far, and I will continue to flesh it out as time permits. The ring oath is definitely on the list, as well as any other primary sources out there. :bloodofox: (talk) 03:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

The artist

Does that signature look like "Saltza" to you? That would make it a work by our friend C. F. von Saltza (1858-1905) from Talk:Urðarbrunnr. Haukur (talk) 17:04, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Skaði looks like a work by the same artist. It's so irritating to peer at these low-quality scans after I've held the actual book in my hands. Haukur (talk) 17:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, I believe it does say Saltza. Good work! I can understand the frustration. The signature there also seems to say "Saltza". I think this is a clear enough indication for credit and I've since added it in. :bloodofox: (talk) 03:00, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Hadingus and Njörðr

I have Dumézil's From Myth To Fiction: The Saga Of Hadingus, it's a good read and I think his theory is fairly sound. Haukur (talk) 17:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I do not yet own this work - you are most welcome to add in Dumézil's theories here as I can only do so through references made to it in other works. :bloodofox: (talk) 03:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Njörðr/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Pass. Nothing much to comment on—seems a thorough good article. Arsenikk ^(talk) 15:57, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Great, thanks! :bloodofox: (talk) 16:43, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

How is this pronunciated? Can somebody add this to the article? -- Bryan (talk|commons) 17:47, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

For all intents and purposes, the name is pronounced 'njord' or 'nee-ord'. The reason it is spelled in this odd way, is that someone has taken an overly pedantic view and feels that we ought to spell it, in modern day English, the way they did in Old Norse (a language that has been dead for 800 years...)(yeah - beats me) --Sparviere (talk) 14:44, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

There is good reason for our usage of the actual Old Norse name as opposed to the numerous modern anglicizations of it; please see: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Norse mythology). :bloodofox: (talk) 18:43, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

There are perhaps many reasons, but I have yet to see a good one! The article of York is listed under 'York', not Eboracium, although it ought to be according to the line of arguments in the Norse Myth Naming convention. Nor is Tuscany listed as Tusculum or Jesus listed as Yeshua. Hence pedantic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparviere (talk • contribs) 05:35, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I would like to hear the old pronunciation of Njörðr, to read an old text about him... not the current spelling... that is good enough reason for me.Xelnagazchild (talk) 08:10, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Disgusting

"the daughters of Hymir used you as a pisspot, and pissed in your mouth" - I don't thinks this is verse from Lokasenna. This is really disgusting text. Is this just Loki's flyting or Loki said the truth (like that Freya "set her winds free" after she slept with her brother)?--Mychele (talk) 16:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

It is indeed from the cited translation and there's an amount of theory around exactly what is meant by this. :bloodofox: (talk) 17:03, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

God Njordr and female ejaculation I never heard that Hymir had daughters. Their mother is probably Hrodr.

So, was pissing of daughters reward, abuse or what?--Mychele (talk) 08:59, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, like a lot of Loki's claims in Lokasenna, the myth referred to no longer exists, and it's possible that it may have never existed in the first place—the poem itself is either anti-pagan propaganda or a pagan work of comedy. However, there is some scholarly commentary around about it (In his Prose Edda translation, Bellows comments that "Daughters of Hymir: we have no clue to who these were, though Hymir is doubtless the frost-giant of the Hymiskvitha (q.v.). Loki's point is that Njorth is not a god, but the product of an inferior race (the Wanes)."). While the colorful link you've provided isn't the work of a scholar, it's a new notion by me. It's an interesting subject and I think it deserves a section dedicated to what scholars have said about it. :bloodofox: (talk) 09:46, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

If there are enough RS to justify it, I would second the creation of such a section. I seem to recall having once read that "Hymir's daughters" is a reference to a group of rivers emptying into a common bay, which was, in turn, seen as the "mouth" of Aegir, the personification of the sea - which also helps explain why Hymir is the owner of the cauldron large enough to hold the Aesir's mead, i.e. that he, being the source of the rivers (his daughters), must have an incredibly huge store of water, as the rivers never cease to flow into the sea. I'll see what I can dig up in the way of sources. --Aryaman (talk) 11:59, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I have also read this somewhere, but I can't recall where. Maybe Simek has an entry on these daughters? Unfortunately, I don't have his handbook with me. If there's enough material, we might even be able to get a "Daughters of Hymir" article out of it. We could also compare translations of the stanza in such an article, which I think would be helpful, considering how much the translations of this particular stanza vary... :bloodofox: (talk) 12:13, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Apparently, Magnus Olsen (1960:28-30) is the origin of the "rivers" interpretation. I haven't located the original title of Olsen's work yet, however. Cf. Saga Book of the Viking Society for Northern Research, Vol. 22, 1986, pg. 246. Others noting this interpretation include:

• McKinnell, John (2005). Meeting the Other in Norse Myth and Legend. Cambridge: D. S. Brewer. pg. 179.
• Larrington, Carolyne (1996). The Poetic Edda. Oxford: Oxford University Press. pg. 276.

Another interpretation is that Hymir's daughters represent clouds, and thus their urine is to be understood as rain. This is attributed to Carla Del Zotto in Hymiskvidha e la pesca di Thórr nella tradizione nordica, Testi e studi di filologia 1 (Roma: Il Calamo, 1979), pg. 89, but I can't locate the original (yet).

There may be others, though it seems the "rivers" interpretation is mentioned more frequently. I'll keep looking. --Aryaman (talk) 12:27, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Woohoo!

Great, I'm looking forward to more. Perhaps the fact that the nine Daughters of Ægir are clearly ocean waves (and who may or may not be the same as the nine Mothers of Heimdall) and the fact that, interestingly, Njörðr is also attested as having nine daughters (from the oft-ignored Sólarljóð) has some relevance to these Daughters of Hymir.

Also, in Larrington's Lokasenna translation, she has a footnote on these daughters, which reads: "Niord is a god of the sea; the daughters of the giant Hymir are conceivably the rivers which flow down into the sea". :bloodofox: (talk) 13:31, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

LOL Little Heimdall... I wrote on Hymir's page that he had one son - Tyr and several daughters. Also is written on Hrodr's.--Mychele (talk) 14:48, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Noah

Is Njordr another figure that goes back to Noah? The name Noatun seems to reveal this as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.151.238.73 (talk) 09:24, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Sophus Bugge proposed something like this. However, like a lot of Bugge's linguistic speculation, it was nonsense. :bloodofox: (talk) 19:08, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Njor

Sounds awful lot like Jesus his gifts of bountiful harvest of fish 2600:6C48:697F:C852:BCA9:513A:38B2:6657 (talk) 00:54, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Edit warring to create date inconsistency

@Cornellier Here, I'm doing what you should have done when you were first reverted and opening a discussion thread on your repeated reverts of the stable version to introduce inconsistency with the dates. Your only argument is that it is somehow more "clear", I would argue that creating inconsistency for the readers is the opposite of clear. MOS:MILLENNIUM also advocates for the same consistency, so you are going against the MOS on top of it. TylerBurden (talk) 01:31, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

The above looks like a misintrepration WP policy, or is just flat-out wrong. In any case I don't believe further discussion about them in relation to this page is necessary. --Cornellier (talk) 15:03, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

So you have no policy or guideline to counter my argument with, then kindly move on, there is a lot of useful work you could do instead of revive a 2 week+ old content dispute. TylerBurden (talk) 04:37, 18 June 2023 (UTC)