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Reviewer: Brad78 (talk) 03:05, 1 January 2011 (UTC)Reply

Lead
  • I'd expand the first sentence. When I saw the name I didn't know who it was, but as soon as I read, I knew who he was. So I'd say something like "Nodar Kumaritashvili was a Georgian luger who died in a fatal crash during a training run for the 2010 Winter Olympics competition."
Done
  • There are details in the lead which aren't elsewhere in the article. The lead should summarise the rest of the article without introducing fresh detail per WP:LEAD.
Done
  • Although Kumaritashvili is obviously most famous for the crash, I would include some information about other parts of his career and/or life in the lead, perhaps by expanding it to two paragraphs.
Done
  • "the sixth athlete to die at either Olympics." I don't think this is quite grammatically correct. I understand what you mean but "either Olympics" suggests two different games, rather than two different types of games.
Changed the wording, should be better
Life and career
  • Do you have any details about his mother and any brothers/sisters? Is there any details about his schooling, education or any other jobs he had? Was he a full-time luger, for example?
Added what is available, which is limited.
  • It might read better to separate details of his life from the rest of his career.
Done
  • Do you have any more details about other performances during his career?
Nothing more than his final finish for the respective seasons.
Accident
  • "Kumaritashvili qualified for the luge men's singles event at the 2010 Winter Olympics," How did he qualify?
Added
  • "Some United Kingdom newspapers have blamed the crash on Canada's aggressive Own the Podium program, which has given Canadian athletes more time to train at the Olympic venues to the detriment of Olympians from other countries." The tense of this sentence needs to be changed. Is it still the case? I.e. should be "Some UK newspapers blamed, ... which gave Canadian athletes ..."
Done
Georgian response
  • "There was shock and mourning in Georgia after viewings on television of his tragic death." I'm not sure why but I don't think this wording is too great, perhaps something like "There was shock and mourning in Georgia after footage of his tragic death was televised/shown on television."
Done
  • "A one-minute moment of silence" sounds a bit contradictory. Shouldn't it just be "A one-minute silence"?
Changed
  • "he was buried at his church." What do you mean by "his church"? Is that where he attended or was it somewhere he worked, etc?
Fixed
Other responses
  • "In addition, the start of the men's luge was moved to the women's starting point to reduce speed." What happened to the women's start? I seem to recall that was moved down the track. Same for junior start. What about other sports, e.g. bobsleigh, skeleton?
Only the luge was moved up. Added note about women's race moved up.
  • "Training runs on the track resumed on February 13, after changes to the ice profile and a wooden fence being added at the corner where Kumaritashvili lost his life." Says similar to the sentence above.
Modified sentence to not be repetitive.
  • "In addition, padding has been added to exposed metal beams near the finish line." As above, the tense is incorrect. I presume this was written last year and not been changed.
Fixed, and moved up with the other stuff about the track changes
  • "Donations were made to Sparkasse in Berchtesgaden, Germany." What relevance does the Sparkasse have?
That was the mailing address for donations. Removed as it isn't important
ILF report
  • I think IOC should be spelled out on first use.
Done
  • "the highest speed actually recorded" Not sure "actually" is needed though I may concede on this occasion because of the wording.
It really doesn't need to be included.
Coroner's report
  • "and the athlete's relative unfamiliarity with it." What does "it" refer to? The speeds or the track?
The track. Mentioned that
Others
Fixed
  • Mix of "honor" and "honour". As above, need to stick to either British or US English.
Done

There's quite a bit to do, some tightening up the wording and perhaps some more details if known to put in. But it's not too far off, so I'll put it on hold for the moment. Brad78 (talk) 21:11, 1 January 2011 (UTC)Reply

I cleaned it up, so should be good now. Any other issues let me know. Kaiser matias (talk) 01:26, 2 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
why did you remove the huffington post link please? --Arkelweis (talk) 08:27, 5 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
I was unfamiliar with the site, and thought it was not a suitable source for the article. However after you restored it I did a quick look and realise I was wrong there. So simple ignorance on my part. Kaiser matias (talk) 01:16, 7 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
Additional comments

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner, and thanks for the changes. Everything that is there now looks good. My only concern is whether this passes section 3 of the good article criteria. If the article was Nodar Kumaritashvili's death, I'd have no problems passing it. However, take away those details and you're left with little more than a stub. Do you have any more details about Kumaritashvili's life or earlier part of his career etc? While you see if you can find more details, I'm also going to ask for a second opinion. Brad78 (talk) 23:51, 13 January 2011 (UTC)Reply

I would normally agree with you that in general, life and career should come first. However, I would consider this to be an exceptional case, with probably everything about him in print involving his death and the subsequent aftermath of the event. Of course, if more can be found on his life that can be added and should be, but as is it's probably as good as can be expected. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 03:38, 25 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose):   b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):  
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references):   b (citations to reliable sources):   c (OR):  
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects):   b (focused):  
    I'm still totally unsure whether this meets criteria 3, not so much on the text itself, but the text to meet the title of the article. However, having sought a second opinion, I will pass this, but add a disclaimer that I feel that further expansion of Kumaritashvili's career and early life would improve the article.
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:  
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:  
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):  
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:  
    See comments above regarding criteria 3. Brad78 (talk) 00:45, 26 January 2011 (UTC)Reply
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