Talk:Nogi Maresuke

Re Discipline of Troops under Command

Greetings friends,

Given the sad conduct of the Japanese troops under Tojo & Co. during the Pacific War, I thought it worthwhile to note that the quality of the command under Nogi was honorable. With reference to the Port Arthur massacre discussed below, I can't comment. -- For what it's worth.

Also, I don't know whether it is important, but I think the flag next to Nogi's photo is the Japanese _navy_ standard. The army used and uses the standard Hinomaru flag.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Navy

--Gunnermanz (talk) 15:14, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Scouting

The Japanese article links him to Boy Scouting, in what context? Chris 01:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Maresuke Nogi → Nogi Maresuke – "In accordance with wikipedia protocol on names of Japanese people born before start of the Meiji era (1867)" User:MChew, as posted on Requested Moves.

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• Support in accordance with Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles)#Names of historical figures. Fg2 09:56, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose, it sounds better this way :)) -- Raja Lon Flattery 19:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support - MoS overrides aesthetics. Neier 23:58, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

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This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. Vegaswikian 19:33, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

1875?

According to the wikipedia article on the Satsuma Rebellion, the conflict was in 1877. Elsewhere, Sato Hiroaki has also written that the loss of the banner during that conflict was in 1877 (review of 'Suicidal Honor', www.japantimes.co.jp, April 8, 2007). An online dictionary of Japanese history also says that the Seinan/Satsuma Rebellion was in 1877.

The Kodansha Encyclopedia of Japan has an article on Nogi, and it says the loss of the flag was in 1877.

There is a chapter on Nogi's life in 'Six Lives, Six Deaths: Portraits from Modern Japan', by Lifton, Kato, and Reich, Yale Univ. Press, 1979.

Port Arthur Massacre

There should be some mention of this, like "He was largely responsible for the later atrocity that occurred after occupation, known as the Port Arthur Massacre." Yes? Hanfresco (talk) 07:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

No -Strongly disagree - the Port Arthur Massacre (and there is considerable historical debate as to whether or not this event actually occured) has been attributed to forces under command of General Yamaji Motoharu (1841-1897), not Nogi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MChew (talk • contribs) 08:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah indeed, you're right. However, the event also occurred. It's the scope that's debated. Hanfresco (talk) 07:11, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

GCB

Just removed an external link, but I wonder if that was spam or an attempt to reference ? [1] ----Erkan Yilmaz 15:49, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

This small question was easily resolved. I've added Nogi's GCB to the info box (with citation linked to the online London Gazette); and I've created an "Honors" section for listing the honors, decorations and awards conferred on Nogi. A comment in the text section of this article allows more clarity than is possible within the cramped of an infobox. --Tenmei (talk) 20:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Description of the suicides

The descriptions we have in this article are seriously flawed. They amount to nothing more than a bunch of conjecture. I realize they come from the quoted sources, however it must be pointed out Maresuke and Shizuko were alone when they died, and that nobody actually knows what happened or the actual sequence of events. Indeed, there is plenty of evidence that suggests that the description we've incorporated into this article is probably inaccurate. Exploding Boy (talk) 15:36, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I have removed the disputed sentences from the article:

"Nogi and his spouse bathed together, and changed into white kimonos, before sharing a cup of sake before the tokonoma. Mrs. Nogi proceeded to commit jigai first; while Nogi assisted by plunging a dagger into her neck. He then sliced his own stomach open."

Although this is not an aspect of the article which interests me, I do accept that Exploding Boy has made a valid observation. Perhaps this needs further discussion before restoring all or part of this material? --Tenmei (talk) 17:10, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

It also mentions him considering suicide because he lost against an "enemy," yet the article does not mention who or what that enemy was. Could be useful information Alt lys er svunnet hen (talk) 06:06, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Poet Nogi

I have added a section called "Man of letters". Rather than talking about his literary talent in a few sentences, I opted to quote his three most famous poems, which may be too much in this already excellent Wikipedia page. You are all welcome to modify that section, plus change the English translations of the poems. Yoshi Canopus (talk) 02:24, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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