Talk:Non sibi sed patriae

Using EnfNote X1, Non Sibi Sed Patriae was cited back to "General Charles C. Krulak, USMC", Krulak, C. C. (1998, 16 May 1998 ). Non Sibi Sed Patriae - General Charles C. Krulak, USMC. Commandant of the Marine Corps, Commencement Remarks for the Uniformed Services University at the DAR Constitution Hall. General Charles C. Krulak, USMC - Commandant of the Marine Corps, from http://www.s2company.com/files/readings/krulak.htm}

--PietroSavo (talk) 21:04, 29 March 2009 (UTC)Pietro

• Well, there's a bit of a problem, as the text is not just cited back to Gen Krulak, but pretty much all of the substantive content of the article is reproduced verbatim from his address. Cited works can be used as sources, but not to reproduce large quantities of text verbatim. You can certainly quote sections of his address to illustrate the meaning of the term and to enhance your text, but just reproducing the text with some minor re-arranging is problematic. Arakunem^Talk 21:15, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

What I will do is rewrite the entire document, my concern is it will then become an original work, my publicists forbids me to do so without the potential for his commission. However, since I do so believe in the importance of Non Sibi Sed Patriae article being the blue blooded patriot I am, I will begin the rewrite at once. My other concern is that it will lose the flavor if completely rewritten, in the interim I will contact Gen Krulak as well to get his permission, being the Marine he is I'm confident that he will not object. More to follow!--PietroSavo (talk) 21:59, 29 March 2009 (UTC) Pietro

PS: I am knew at this, when I replace the original document, does the clock start once again? --PietroSavo (talk) 22:02, 29 March 2009 (UTC) Pietro

• There's really no clock. If you don't mind though, I'm going to remove most of the verbatim stuff, so as not to have the article deleted. I'll put an Under-Construction tag on it, so people know whats up. But to your other point: Yes, the article then becomes an original work, though it is released under terms of the GFDL, allowing pretty much anyone to edit, modify, or re-use the content for any purpose. Since it is released under GFDL, there's no potential for income, if that affects your issue with your publicist. Kind of a pro-bono sort of donation, or to use a term I prefer, Non nobis solum. Thanks! Arakunem^Talk 22:10, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Pietro, just to make it clear: anything you write on this title should be related to the Latin tag. I cannot image how it could possibly contain anything about Iwo Jima or John Bradley. But feel free to improve the articles about those two topics. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 03:50, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Pietro, did you read the above? Please justify this edit. Do you understand the difference between an essay and an encyclopedia article? Why not publish your essay on your own website? Incidentally what on earth does "my publicist forbids me to do so without the potential for his commission" mean? — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 16:53, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Non Sibi Sed Patriae, is very much so connected to Iwo Jima and John Bradley define selfless act. --PietroSavo (talk) 17:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC) Pietro

You deleted the only copy--PietroSavo (talk) 17:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC) Pietro

I understand you reside in Croydon, UK, I consult in Norwich one week a month, I do so enjoy the commute. I edited and typed my version directly to your webpage, please e-mail the deleted copy to <deleted>. Tks, --PietroSavo (talk) 17:21, 30 March 2009 (UTC) Pietro

• It is not my web page! You have been around here long enough - why have you not learned about article histories? All your edits to this article are still available - in the history - try this state. You commute from The States? Gosh. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 17:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Your last change deleted my edits, and it appears not to be reversible, I can't help wondering if this is what Jimmy Wales originally intented when he created Wikipedia. --PietroSavo (talk) 17:54, 30 March 2009 (UTC)Pietro

Australian Navy?

Does anyone know anything about the RAN's use of non sibi sed patriæ? It appears (see the image I just added to the article) on an old navy warehouse on Cantonment Hill in Fremantle, Western Australia. Is (or has been) the phrase used by the RAN, or was there some American involvement in this building? — Sam Wilson ( Talk • Contribs ) … 01:44, 26 January 2010 (UTC)