Talk:Norman invasion of Wales
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Magnus
edit"Magnus, who had earlier indirectly hurt the Welsh's chances against the Normans with his losing battle against King Harold II of England in 1066" - seems to be referring back to the previously-linked "King Magnus III of Norway (Magnus Barefoot)".
Given that Magnus wasn't actually born till 1073, and Harold II had defeated Harald Hardrada, this seems to be a bit astray? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.235.203.96 (talk) 23:44, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
- That text was obviously incorrect, so I've removed it. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:49, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Repeated text; seems oddly organised
editI'm not a historian, so I am not confident of fiddling around with the text, but this article seems to have problems.
- The last paragraph in the opening section is repeated word for word at the end.
- The opening sentence seems really unhelpful as to what the Norman invasions were and when they happened.
- The order of events as described is difficult to follow.
I had a quick look at the article in other languages, and eyeballing it, the French, German and Russian pages all look to be in far better shape. This is odd for an article on British history.OsFish (talk) 04:58, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Strangely written, biased
editThe opening especially seems pretty strangely written and almost biased. 'heavy and humiliating defeat' for example, inaccurate assertations of routed armies instead of an ambush of a detached force, referral to the Welsh as Britons (technically true of course but given everything else, it sticks out) , all makes it sound like this article was written by a Welsh nationalist. Needs attention. Alooulla (talk) 04:05, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Have edited out some of the more egregious examples, judging by the writing it was a single author doing most of it. But the article is still quite sparse. Alooulla (talk) 04:15, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
- Agree totally. The summary is still a poor understanding of the early Normans in Wales. Alooulla has done well to remove some clear bias but phrases like "the invasion of Wales was not undertaken with the fervour and purpose of the invasion of England", while not exactly biased, are wildly subjective and makes no mention of the Normans in Hereford prior to the invasion of England.
- The article as a whole is pretty short and it sections are simple summaries of each English monarch of the House of Normandy's relationship to Wales, while the sourcing suggests most of the body of the text is a rewording of Davies' History of Wales.
- Aside from not mentioning any of the early Norman activity in Wales prior to 1066, the article also chooses an endpoint nine years after the death of Stephen, in 1163 (a year that the Princes of Gwynedd and Powys temporarily swore fealty to the Norman king) stating that this is the when "Welsh resistance (was) exhausted". This means the last 129 years of the conquest are unaccounted.
- I remain unsure exactly what the purpose of this article should be, or what it's timescale should be. Maybe a total rewrite is in order? Cymrogogoch (talk) 14:48, 12 October 2024 (UTC)