Talk:North Jersey

Geographic center of New Jersey

Does the actual geographic center of New Jersey matter to anyone? Guess where it is, people... 5 miles SOUTHEAST OF TRENTON. Shocking, yes? Its right in... wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_centers_of_the_United_States Famartin (talk) 07:51, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

a barrel

Which one is it

Google:a+barrel+with+a+bung+at+both+ends

Google:a+barrel+tapped+at+both+ends

[1]
--E-Bod 03:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

• Despite E-B/Ysf's irrelevant pair of G-tests, there was no need for anyone willing make that degree of effort to question here the summary, 6 minutes earlier, reading "someone had vandalised the ben franklin quote" (on the diff-pg whose ext lk E-B/Ysf provided):

G'g

"a barrel with a bung at both ends,"

has one hit, on a pg that attributes the content to WP, but

"a barrel tapped at both ends,"

has over 700, none of them copying other wording from our article.
--Jerzy•t 07:49, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

• In any case, the relevance to the article would be to illustrate the thesis (plausible but certainly neither stated nor verified) that the influence of the two megalopolises on the state is such that it is naturally thought of as naturally divided by the boundary between their respective spheres of influence.
  I would also have removed in any case the ref it carried (which was to a review of a book on the state), even if the quote were reasonably connected to the topic. What we could verifiably say would be close to:

(The phrase's wide attribution to Benjamin Franklin seems unverifiable.)

with a citation of

"Franklin, Benjamin", by Sheila L. Skemp, in Encyclopedia of New Jersey by Maxine N. Lurie and Marc Mappen, p. 288, reproduced in facsimile at Google Book Search. She says of it that "The famous remark attributed to him ... does not represent Franklin's published views."

It would probably violate SYNTH to say

widely attributed to Benjamin Franklin, and sometimes even implied (without citing a work)[2] to have been his written utterance.

Likewise, it is only to dampen unrealistic hopes of finding a contrary reference that i cite:

_ _ the respected Samuel Eliot Morison and Henry Steele Commager, who say (their contribution starts at page 299 in [3] and the relevant portion is at page 310; context suggests they mean, in saying 200K, in 1790 census) only (italic emphasis added by Jerzy)

New Jersey, a farming state of less than two hundred thousand people, has been compared with a barrel tapped at both ends by New York and Philadelphia.

_ _ a less august but more officially Jersey-ite authority, Robert Lupp of New Jersey Reference Services, New Jersey State Library, who writes in "The Garden State and Other New Jersey State Nicknames" on the state's "njfacts" page (italic emphasis added by Jerzy):

Alfred M. Heston, in his two-volume work, Jersey Waggon Jaunts, published in 1926 ( Camden, NJ, Atlantic County Historical Society, 1926), twice credits Abraham Browning of Camden with coining the name at the Centennial Exhibition in Philadelphia on New Jersey Day, August 24, 1876. On page 310 of volume 2 he writes: "In his address Mr. Browning compared New Jersey to an immense barrel, filled with good things to eat and open at both ends, with Pennsylvanians grabbing from one end and the New Yorkers from the other. He called New Jersey the Garden State, and the name has clung to it ever since." The problem with this is that the image of a barrel tapped at both ends dates back at least to Benjamin Franklin, so this statement crediting Browning with naming the Garden State can not be taken at face value.

--Jerzy•t 07:49, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Gateway Region

I've removed

{{seealso|Gateway Region}}

whose positioning suggests a claim that readers would sensibly come to North Jersey if what they were seeking were our coverage, at Gateway Region, of "the northeastern part of State of New Jersey". See-also lks belong after the prose portion of an article, and are only for links that cannot be fitted naturally into the prose. If this really can't in the accompanying article, it can do without the lk completely.
--Jerzy•t 07:49, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Professional-sports_fans

I removed the following from inside a single set of ref tags:

"The Turnpike Series: Phillies & Yankees divide N.J. - Part I", blog: Where is the line between North & South Jersey?, Oct. 26, 2009. Retrieved 2009-11-05. "The Yankees-Phillies divide in New Jersey", blog: Where is the line between North & South Jersey?, Oct. 26, 2009. Retrieved 2009-11-05. See World Series#Other cross-state and inter-provincial rivalries.

Hispanics are not a race

Please, take it up with the US Census bureau if you have a problem with it, or better yet, read the US Census definition, or read the article on Hispanics and Latinos in the United States. If the source of the original uses actual census data, then yes, it is sourced. I'd appreciate it if people actually took the time to learn what the US census actually says. Adam (talk) 02:00, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

References

Listing white and white non-hispanic separately and including section "hispanic of all races" might end confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1016:A110:FF35:F07E:F5D1:35D6:E8BF (talk) 00:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)