Talk:North Shore & Western Line

Requested move 31 August 2017

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Most people think that any change should be postponed until implementation of the new names by Sydney Trains. EdJohnston (talk) 15:37, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

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• North Shore, Northern & Western Line → T1 (Sydney Trains)
• Airport, Inner West & South Line → T2 (Sydney Trains)
• Bankstown Line → T3 (Sydney Trains)
• Eastern Suburbs & Illawarra Line → T4 (Sydney Trains)
• Cumberland Line → T5 (Sydney Trains)
• South and Airport line → T8 (Sydney Trains)

– So, the November 2017 timetable changes for the Sydney Trains network have been unveiled, and they're a doozy. All Sydney Trains services no longer have general names other than their badges (T1, T2, T3, ect.). Names now exclusively belong to individual stopping patterns within each service, i.e. "T1 Northern", "T1 North Shore", "T1 Epping", "T1 Richmond", and "T1 Western". Combine this with the fact that having articles titled "Epping, North Shore, Northern, Richmond, and Western Line" and "Cronulla, Eastern Suburbs, and Illawarra Line" are a bit of a handful, will often be confusing, and also won't be official general service names come November, I propose that we rename the articles according to what they'll be officially referred to - simply their badge numbers. The naming format, "x (Sydney Trains)", is based off article titles from other railway services, which disambiguate by operator and/or system name; "Red Line (Los Angeles Metro)", "Yellow Line (Montreal Metro)", "6 (New York City Subway service)", "Line A (Prague Metro)". – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · contribs · count) 05:44, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

• Comment - It's not a horrible suggestion, but Sydney Trains still uses names according to their documents, including draft timetable [1]. T1 is the only one which is split, now comprised of "Western Line," "Northern Line," "North Shore & Northern Line". T2 is renamed "Inner West & Leppington Line," T3 remains "Bankstown Line," and T4 through T7 are the same, as are all intercity lines, with the new T8 "Airport & South Line." Personally, I prefer the more descriptive names which include region or location detail, rather than generic TX names. -- Whats new?^(talk) 10:25, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

I would wait to see what transpires once the new timetable is implemented. The current branding of the new timetable is all over the place. Take T5: sometimes it's referred to as the "T5 Cumberland Line", other times it's the "T5 Richmond and Leppington Line" and the new network map preview implies it will just be the "T5".

If we do rename all the articles, I would like to see this extend to the other modes as well. We currently have North Shore, Northern & Western Line, Sydney bus route 144, Manly ferry services and Dulwich Hill Line. The bus routes might have to be a bit inconsistent because they don't have a B prefix, but I think the other routes should all follow a consistent format.--Gareth (talk) 16:52, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Agree on waiting until implementation, unless further reliable detail comes out before -- Whats new?^(talk) 03:56, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

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@Edgar Searle and RidingStuff: This is an article about the T1 North Shore & Western Line service. I don't understand why this article is instead depicting infrastructure as its lead image, rather than the service itself, such as rolling stock used on the service as is typical with other articles on Sydney Trains and NSW TrainLink services. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 11:23, 4 May 2019 (UTC)