Talk:North Yorkshire Moors Railway

Locomotive name links

What is the standard practice for linking the names of locomotives? In the case here, I set up a link to an article about the locomotive named Sir Nigel Gresley (there isn't one yet, but there are for two other members of the class, Mallard and Union of South Africa see LNER Class A4), rather than the article about the person. The link on the loco named George Stephenson does the opposite and links to the article about the person. Thryduulf 23:40, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I don't think there is one (yet). I put a link to the locomotive if there is one, or if there is a precedent for one (i.e. there seems to be a page link for all preserved A4s planned). If not I put a link to what the name is. For example it might not be immediately apparent what the name means in the case of 50027 "Lion", which is named after the warship(s) "HMS Lion" as opposed to the animal. (Our Phellap 23:47, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC))

Is the list of locomotives complete?

File:NYMR steam loco.JPG

click on the picture to enlarge and see the number 45407

This loco has number 45407, as you can see in the picture. But I can't see that number on your list. Is the list complete and up-to-date? Or am I just being very stupid in not undertanding how the numbering system works? — P Ingerson (talk) 01:03, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• The list may not be complelton extension projecttely up to date - check the NYMR website. LMS Black Five Class no. 45407 is based on the East Lancashire Railway, but it is registered for the main line meaning it works various railtours throughout the year. It is probable that 45407 was visiting the NYMR for a special event. Our Phellap 12:24, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

*45407 is only at the NYMR for usually only 2-3 months max and runs the whitby services. wayside007 2:41, 1 Jan 2008 (UTC)

Infobox, commercial operations name field

What should go here? LNER seems a bit random. Obviously the line has had several commercial operators through history. The Whitby and Pickering Railway built it, and it was last commercially run by British rail. One of these would make most sense to me, but there are also the YNMR, NER and LNER in between. I've asked over at the template talk page to gauge opinions over there also.

The NER was the 'commercial' operator for the longest time (69 years, 1854 - 1923), which dwarfs the LNER (25 years) or BR (17 years), or even the W&P (9 years) and the Y&NM (9 years). The only operator that comes anyway near is the NYMR itself (34 years) - but they are not 'commercial'. XTOV (talk) 15:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Having received no comments here and as there have been two recents edits to this field (to 'LNER' then reverted), I have changed this field to 'North Eastern Railway' for the reasons given above. XTOV (talk) 22:10, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Reformating the Steam Loco table

Recently 88.105.159.185 made a series of eight edits to the Steam Loco table; he/she appears to think it is better as a bulletted list and separated into sections for locos from the big four (and their predecessors), BR and 'others'. I have no strong feelings for or against a format change but these changes were poorly executed, for example leaving traces of the previous table formatting and ommitting spaces between some words. In consequence I have reverted all eight edits to return to the previous format plus I have updated the information in line with the NYMR magazine I recieved this morning.

If 88.105.159.185 still wishes to change the format of this table, may I suggest:

• He/She registers for a Wikipedia user account, so that future edits are not anonymous.
• Ensures that the revised format is carefully checked before saving it to avoid the careless errors made previously.
• Takes the trouble to apply his/her new format to all motive power tables, not just the steam one.
• Tries to avoid multiple serial edits, presumably to correct errors or oversights - that's what 'Show Preview' is for.

and finally

• If he/she is not willing to go to all these lengths - do not attempt it in the first place.

XTOV (talk) 23:18, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Gala's

Should we have a special section about the numerous galas held throughout the year at the NYMR? Britishrailclass91 (talk) 09:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC) Sorry, Ignore that, I have spotted the special events section Britishrailclass91 (talk) 17:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

New Front Page Pic

I have replaced the picture on the infobox, as I believe it to show more aspects of the railway, please feel free to delete the image from the inforbox if needed! Britishrailclass91 (talk) 15:33, 29 April 2008 (UTC). Ignore that last comment, I have decided against it. But can someone please upload: Into the wikimedia commons. Britishrailclass91 (talk) 15:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Repton

I have added that Repton has had a wheelset removed, as on my last visit to the nymr, repton was without wheels, do not revert thiss change! Britishrailclass91 (talk) 17:19, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Future station additions

The article has been modified by the addition of details of stations from Malton to Pickering plus the intermediate stations on the Grosmont to Whitby section which are all future planned at the moment. Similarly all of the station articles have had the route boxes updated to include this information. Should we be showing this now in this way or should it be placed separately until such time as the stations are actually opened? Keith D (talk) 11:53, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I believe it should be placed in a separate section with a future tag and no more than a couple of sentences and it should reference some fairly concrete announcement or planning document. Otherwise, there are better places for discussion and supposition. I don't think the route diagram should show planned stations. Also the edits I assume you are concerned about introduce temporal clauses such as 'current terminus'; an improvement would be 'the terminus since March 1900' (obviously fictitious date). Bleakcomb (talk) 11:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I have received a categorical assurance from the NYMR Marketing Manager that the NYMR has no such project as the "NYMR Malton extension project" Indeed from personal knowledge I know that the current NYMR support for such a scheme is limited to a NYMHRT board minute giving support 'in principle' for a North Yorkshire County Council policy (or aspiration) that the missing six miles of railway be reinstated. The difficulties involved in such a reinstatement include the re-opening of some six level crossings (two on A roads), demolishing or somehow avoiding at least two homes and a joinery works built on the trackbed, crossing. moving or avoiding a new public road built more or less along the trackbed in the middle of Pickering, reinstating the various underbridges and negotiating a new junction with Network Rail at Rillington. These are only some of the issues, none insurmountable but all costly. There is no way under current circumstances that the NYMR could even start to find the tens of millions of pounds required.

It is not impossible that some group external to the NYMR may be be promoting this project but using the NYMR's name is misleading, as is inclusion of information about it on a page dealing with the NYMR.

I have removed all direct reference to this 'project' that I have found from the NYMR page, although somewhat against my better judgement, I have left the references to the stations south of the NYMR (after correcting some historical errors).

XTOV (talk) 13:53, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I removed the info about stations south of Pickering. When/if they are ever put back into use on the NYMR they can be listed as NYMR stations. Anything else is speculation. Ruswarp and Sleights need revising. If the NYMR never stops there then they aren't NYMR stations are they? Can you buy a ticket at Pickering to take you to Sleights?

Twoquidtunes (talk) 13:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Length of line

This article refers to it as being the second longest heritage line in England at 18 miles. This contradicts the articles on the West Somerset line (length given as 22.75 miles) and the Wensleydale line (length given as 22 miles) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.6.1.151 (talk) 10:07, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

There have been a number of edits to these articles over a long period which have added unsourced opinion; and these sometimes confuse the current length with either a future length (i.e. they assume that all proposed extensions will take place), or with the original length of the line (i.e. pre-closure). Then, should a measurement be the operated length - the distance between the stations at the extreme ends - or the owned length?

For example, the NYMR operates between Pickering and Whitby. Pickering station is at 6 miles 56 chains from Rillington Junction (Yonge 2006, map 51D); Whitby station is 30 miles 61 chains (Yonge 2006, map 51C), which gives an operated length of 24 miles 3 chains. However, the section east of Grosmont Junction (24 mi 44 ch (Yonge 2006, map 51C)) is Network Rail property; and the buffer stops at Pickering are at 6 mi 49 ch (Yonge 2006, map 51D), giving an owned length of 17 miles 75 chains.

The Wensleydale Railway don't own any track: it's all leased from Network Rail. They also don't operate east of Leeming Bar, so their operated length is the distance from Leeming Bar (5 mi 67 ch (Yonge 2006, map 45E)) to Redmire (21 mi 73 ch (Yonge 2006, map 45E)), i.e. 16 miles 6 chains.

• Yonge, John (2006) [1994]. Jacobs, Gerald (ed.). Railway Track Diagrams 2: Eastern (3rd ed.). Bradford on Avon: Trackmaps. ISBN 0-9549866-2-8. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

To state that such-and-such a railway is the "longest", "second-longest" etc., we need a reliable source explicitly stating that; and it must also state on what basis they make their comparisons: it's no good comparing the operated length of one line against the owned length of another. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:59, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Unclear sentence

Hi. Under the header "Future and possibility of expansion" we had this:

Reinstating this missing rail link was adopted as a policy objective by the North Yorkshire County Council some years ago; the NYMHRT board agreed to support this policy in principle, whilst having reservations about its implementation. The more recent of which was conducted in the year 2000 by the council and concluded that the line could be re-laid for approximately £27m.

The second sentence, "The more recent of which was conducted in the year 2000 by the council and concluded that the line could be re-laid for approximately £27m." is problematic. It has a minor grammar problem which would be sortable but the real difficulty is that we don't know WHAT it's the more recent of, when it says "the more recent of which". The more recent of which what? What was conducted? I feel like there must be something missing here - a more recent survey, report, or something. Did something get lost in a previous edit perhaps? For now, for the sake of clarity, I am removing the sentence - not because I don't think it should be there at all but because I don't know how to fix it! :) If it could be reinstated, with clarity as to its meaning and maybe a reference for the 2000/£27M core if the claim, that would be great!

Thanks and best wishes, DBaK (talk) 11:38, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:North Yorkshire Moors Railway/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

. Inline references required Copyedit for WP:MOS, e.g heading capitalisation Keith D 21:37, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 21:37, 12 July 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 01:31, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Split proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was not to proceed at this time. Nothing since March 2022, the proposal has been open far too long. If cites are available in the future, then it may be possible to achieve a separate article. The joy of all things (talk) 21:02, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

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Can we create The Yorkshire Steam Railway: All Aboard page 92.236.253.249 (talk) 11:02, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

It's certainly worth covering within the NYMR article, but I can't see much coverage other than the NYMR/Channel 5 websites, Amazon, and all the listings sites. If you can find three independent sources that actually discuss/critique the series, then put a draft together and we'll see how it looks.--Verbarson ^talk_edits 11:19, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Missing TV reference

UK ITV's roaming crimebusting journalist Roger Cook blew up a BR MK1 coach painted in NSE livery at Newton Dale Halt as part of an expose on lax laws and how easy it was for the IRA to access weapons and explosives.

92.25.28.10 (talk) 15:55, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

How do you know? How can we check? Find a reliable reference and you can add it to the article. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 17:28, 10 March 2023 (UTC)