Talk:Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference

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Where did all the information regarding all the minor sports go? And some of the other info regarding the major sports? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.241.175.148 (talk) 20:38, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Logos

There is a discussion to clarify our policy/guideline on the use of sports team logos. Please see Wikipedia_talk:Logos#Clarification_on_use_of_sports_team_logos if you wish to participate in the discussion. Johntex\^talk 16:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Minnesota-Duluth

The article states Minnesota-Duluth was a charter member, which would be 1932, but UMD was founded in 1947. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.208.104.14 (talk) 06:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Minnesota State University, Mankato

Should be listed as Minnesota State in athletics articles per the current naming convention on the Northern Sun Conference standings, schedules etc. I have reverted an edit about this and will be revising entries to match the official name by the NSIC which is also the original naming from the Minnesota State Mavericks page from 2010. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.171.131.160 (talk) 18:29, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Apparently there is some confusion as to consistency. Please read and respond before reverting again. Once again, the stable, historic naming is Minnesota State Mavericks. It has been on the NSIC website, schedules, news, media guide since at least 2010. In addition, the original stable Minnesota State Mavericks page was labeled as such. WP:Commonsense is that it should be consistent. There is no adding of city names, dashes etc in similar institutions. IE North Dakota State, South Dakota State, Montana Tech etc. One example from the Navbox for NSIC is Wayne State College (not to be confused with Wayne State University, or it's branch campuses, or Akron - Wayne College) of Wayne, Nebraska (not Detroit) is listed as Wayne State Wildcats which doesn't follow the current formatting either. (EG it would have to be Wayne State College-Nebraka Wildcats. But yet it's not. 108.171.131.160 (talk) 20:41, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Minnesota State–Mankato/Moorhead

The schools have every right to brand themselves in any manner they see fit and the NSIC can reference them in any way that works for them. Those facts are undeniable and not debatable. Mankato brands itself and the NSIC refers to them as Minnesota State Mavericks but that is not how they are known to the rest of the world, including worldwide media outlets.

• U. S. News: Mankato, Moorhead.
• NCAA Mankato, Moorhead.
• Men's Collegiate Lacrosse Association: Mankato.
• Colorado State-Pueblo: Mankato.
• During the 2014 Football Championship Game (full replay), the Mavericks were called "Minnesota State–Mankato" the entire game except three to five times, mostly during the pregame portion, they were called "Minnesota State".
• Other media sites, including Minnesota newspapers, referred to the schools as Minnesota State–Mankato/Moorhead.

Per Wikipedia:COMMONNAME, Wikipedia should also call the schools "Minnesota State–Mankato/Moorhead" and the Minnesota State Mavericks athletics page should also be reverted to its original page title of Minnesota State–Mankato Mavericks. Msjraz64 (talk) 16:57, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

You cite "worldwide media" and make several references, but they are not WP:Notable in reference to Division 2 sports. For example, the Men's Lacrosse Association may simply use a different editorial style. Additionally, your references to USNews is for the actual university institution, not the athletics team or common name. There is no reference in either article that includes the term "Minnesota State-Mankato" precisely. The NCAA uses 'Minnesota State University, Mankato and Minnesota State University Moorhead. Within individual NCAA articles the term 'Minnesota State' is used to refer to the Mankato institution. Neither of those support your argument. Numerous other examples do not agree with your assertion that the common name should be revised or reverted to a previous change.

Some other examples using the format that the IP editor 108.171.131.160 used include:

• Division 2 Football [1] (e.g. 'Minnesota State' in reference to Minnesota State University, Mankato Mavericks.
• Other ESPN Pages [2] - Note the fact that Mankato is NOT included at headline.
• WCHA (Western Collegiate Hockey Association) [3] - again references 'Minnesota State Mavericks'
• The New York Times [4]
• The Mankato Free Press [5]
• StubHub ticket system [6]
• WCCO / CBS Local Minnesota [7]
• Mankato Times [8]
• Fox Sports North [9]

Etc etc.

Given that numerous national and local websites including NSIC itself, the athletics of the institution (as the primary source) and the numerous other 'national' sources that reference 'Minnesota State Mavericks' I am reverting your edits. There is insufficient evidence to suggest that the common name is NOT 'Minnesota State Mavericks' per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sports teams). Further more the original page for Minnesota State Mavericks was named 'Minnesota State Mavericks' when it was created on July 21st, 2010 not what you have suggested. There was also clarification back in 2012 that disambiguation was not needed then, nothing has changed that would require it now. Wikipedia:COMMONNAME also must relate to Wikipedia:UNDUE. These references, most notably NSIC has historically referenced 'Minnesota State' and holds higher value than these others.

Additionally, the size and nature of the two institutions are traditionally different and don't follow a common nomenclature. The Mankato institution is larger, older and was the first to be so named 'Minnesota State'. This is why it is commonly referred to as such and that there is not confusion between the two.

Randomeditor1000 (talk) 01:45, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello Randomeditor1000 and Msjraz64,

There is a difference between the university name and the sports team name. Wikipedia:COMMONNAME applies the university Wikipedia page name and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sports teams) applies to the sports team Wikipedia page name.

It seems that there are more sources that use the naming 'Minnesota State' in reference to the 'Minnesota State Mavericks (the Mankato university). Given that the wikipedia page for Minnesota State Mavericks was named originally 'Minnesota State Mavericks', and that this form is significantly referenced in the news, I think it should stay as 'Minnesota State Mavericks' versus the alternative.

One is more well known than the other, and given knowledge and history of the two universities, the NSIC naming convention makes more sense. One is commonly referred to as Minnesota State (the Mankato university) and the other is commonly referred to as 'Moorhead' or by the shortened acronym 'MSU-Moorhead' on other websites.

This is an artifact of the history of the MNSCU system, at one time all MNSCU universities were to be named Minnesota State University xyz. Mankato State was the first at the time and was intended to be sort of the leader of that process. After this came Moorhead State. Soon after the university campuses in Saint Cloud, Bemidji, Winona, Marshall and Metro State voted by public opinion NOT to change their names. This resulted in the names in the form that exist today. I would characterize this naming characterization as similar to Arkansas State University or Texas State University that maybe Msjraz64 can relate better to. Minnesota State University, Mankato is older, larger, has a larger endowment, has a bigger student population and is more recognizable in comparison to it's brethren Minnesota State University Moorhead (note that the official naming conventions are used on the Wikipedia page names for the universities e.g. coma no, no coma) - Blanksamurai (talk) 14:32, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

I did a LMGTFY to see if there other sources out there in regards to this and found some additional sources that utilize 'Minnesota State' or 'Minnesota State Mavericks':

• Argus Leader (Sioux Falls)
• Winona Daily News -uses the later more often
• University of Minnesota Bulldogs
• Fairbanks Daily News-Miner
• Augustana Vikings website

Blanksamurai (talk) 15:06, 9 November 2015 (UTC)