Talk:Northwestern Syria offensive (2024)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2024

Change 5 tanks captured to 35 tanks captured

https://t.me/zainaldinmaham1/65791

This source + following HTS official media and adding up the tanks captured in each town Sahelian Analyst (talk) 11:58, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

So it's an unconfirmed HTS claim? 71.175.178.6 (talk) 00:24, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Telegram isn't a reliable source. --AntiDionysius (talk) 00:26, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2024 (2)

HTS has captured Khan Al-Assal & Al-Zarbah

Source :

https://x.com/HalabTodayTV/status/1862117186464010552

https://x.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/1862114928187842633 AlMuslim17 (talk) 14:13, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 01:22, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Tahrir al-Sham involvement

I really felt like I had to nitpick this quickly because this whole article reeks of western ignorance much much more than the usual articles about the Middle East here. It's phrased like this whole operation was planned, organized, and executed by the FSA and other so-called " moderate " rebels. This was all planned and executed by HTS, The FSA is less involved and more of a support role unlike how it's phrased in the article. In all the videos you see of the rebels they are wearing HTS patches, HTS uniforms, and sporting Islamist flags/slogans ( including that of Daesh ) their affiliation is obvious. They even say this and show combat videos in their press releases.

I also really feel like " Supported by Turkey " should be added. Hundreds of HTS fighters crossed from the Turkish border and HTS has worked with the Turkish military. I'm pretty sure Turkish military bases around Idbil were also bombed. That's not even getting into the arms shipments and funding as well as Turkey's joint offensive into Kurdistan along with HTS. 71.175.178.6 (talk) 00:18, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

I agree to an extent. HTS is a Sunni Islamist group linked with Al-Qaeda. CrazyFruitBat911 (talk) 20:22, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

They literally have had conflicts with and have killed ISIS terrorists. Nonetheless, some of them may still have some links to ISIS. WP:NOTFORUM applies here and [[1]] is parroting Assadist sympathetic propaganda. Theofunny (talk) 20:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Al-Qaeda has had conflicts with and killed ISIS terrorists. It doesn't mean they aren't Islamic extremists. The current military leader of HTS is also a former Al-Qaeda affiliate and Islamist. CrazyFruitBat911 (talk) 21:25, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

And while I do agree with you that HTS has not flown Daesh flags and the OP is likely parroting Assadist propaganda it cannot be ignored that HTS are Islamists in one form or another regardless of affiliation to ISIS. CrazyFruitBat911 (talk) 21:27, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

I would argue your opinion is more western ignorance and Assadist propaganda filled that the article you accuse.

Yes, the HTS organized this attack.

Yes, HTS is supported by Turkey.

No, HTS is not connected to Daesh, HTS has supported other opposition groups that have fought Daesh and has fought them themselves.

Now for the topic of Al-Qaeda, HTS used to have relations and connections to them but has since cut ties with Al-Qaeda to strengthen their relations and reputation with other opposition groups that were not very keen of Al-Qaeda. Atoosz (talk) 11:21, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Turkish involvement

Turkey should be added into at least the support section of the parties as it is clear they at least had a role in preparation of the operation.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkey-says-syrian-rebels-launched-limited-operation-near-aleppo

There is also some evidence that they have directly participated in strikes themselves against the government forces https://x.com/ScharoMaroof/status/1861724492558483755 Donbarzinitut (talk) 01:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

@Donbarzinitut Support: Turkey allowed many fighters to pass through their territory safely, and they have directly attacked the government. Internationed (talk) 08:52, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Support: Turkey is one of the main supporters of the rebels, funds them and according to some is opening a front in Aleppo: https://english.alarabiya.net/views/2024/11/30/as-lebanon-s-battlefield-closes-syria-s-reignites-why-is-turkey-opening-aleppo-front-now Viceskeeni2 (talk) 21:36, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Split Article

We need an article for the Battle of Aleppo 2024 Alhanuty (talk) 13:45, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Already there. See Battle of Aleppo (2024) The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1^{(The Garage)} 21:41, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Ajnad al-Kavkaz missing from the Free Syrian side

Add Ajnad al-Kavkaz to the Opposition as they are fighting in aleppo right now

proof: https://x.com/war_noir/status/1862486068357976145

thanks. 18Adygean64 (talk) 19:59, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. FifthFive (talk) 22:20, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Is this reference reliable enough?

https://trackingterrorism.org/chatter/ajnad-kavkaz-and-jaish-al-muhajireen-wa-al-ansar-hts-claim-responsibility-for-attack-near-aleppo-syria-28-november-2024/ 2003:C5:2718:4859:8987:1006:E147:DC88 (talk) 09:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

29 Nov Aleppo Citadel taken

Stories are coming in that HTS has taken Aleppo Citadel. At the moment source is this video on X, but more sources will probably become available over the next hours.

https://x.com/NEDAAPOST/status/1862607938952593595 212.113.68.195 (talk) 21:43, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 November 2024

Rebels has captured strategic Abu Al-Duhur and Shaheed Suad Al-Kayari Airport, along with capturing Russian Base is Maasran, Idlib.

https://x.com/almo2tasem91/status/1862751340297871586?t=lsmQoekzV9S6FcXKsV4AcA&s=19

https://x.com/almohrarmedia2/status/1862753424808321205?t=1AbkEhHfWrCPAhkKN0Pz4Q&s=19 AlMuslim17 (talk) 07:13, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. FifthFive (talk) 03:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Flag salad "Reactions" section

As many of you know, most editors despise list-formatted "Reactions" sections, especially the flag icons. These sections should be converted into prose—not a bulleted (flagged) list. At present the reactions are from involved parties, and it should be kept that way. Abductive (reasoning) 08:02, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

The Syrian National Army

The Syrian National Army (Rebels backed by turkey) initiated its own offensive toward the town of Tadif, located south of Al Bab. Source https://syria.liveuamap.com/ and https://x.com/mintelworld/status/18627723069105523242001:1C00:A16:7F00:0:0:0:E006 (talk) 11:13, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Map - opposition factions

Shouldn't the map have different colors (or at least different shades of green) for areas of the Interim Government and areas of the Salvation Government? (Areas of SNA and areas of HTS) They are different in the article Syrian civil war for example. RamiPat (talk) 11:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Hard to estimate who controls what now since it's a joint offensive. Muhllo (talk) 11:55, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

More Syrian Army casualties

The rebels destroyed a retreating military convoy belonging to Syrian Army which killed 75 personnel.

https://x.com/ShaamNetwork/status/1862808381808955488?t=dq2b0lHOme-BHUcdXQRpoQ&s=19 Muhllo (talk) 11:54, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Change infobox map

I believe this infobox map by User:Rr016 is more suitable for the infobox. It includes both active fronts, as well as Hama where gains are currently being made. PanNostraticism2 (talk) 15:03, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Battle of Aleppo (2024) clarification

The “status” section of the front page simply lists the current Aleppo battle as the “Battle of Aleppo;” since there was already a major battle in the city earlier in the Syrian Civil War, this should be changed to “Battle of Aleppo (2024)” or maybe even “Second Battle of Aleppo” so as to avoid confusion with the earlier battle. LordOfWalruses (talk) 17:37, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

It already directs to "Battle of Aleppo (2024)" as a link.

I don't think putting a year in a status in an article that has "2024" in its title will necessarily or that not putting it will cause any confusion. RamiPat (talk) 10:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done Changed link name to Battle of Aleppo (2024). Ecrusized (talk) 10:16, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Separate section in infobox needed for the SDF

https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2024/11/30/middleeast/syrian-rebels-control-aleppo-city-intl

All three major combatants are against each other. Theofunny (talk) 19:49, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Please update your link as it is no longer working. 2600:1700:1CD0:4AD0:8AFA:7E4C:D34A:5B1E (talk) 21:36, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request for addition to the lede

This offensive is the direct consequence of new wars that have erupted outside Syria’s borders. Regional and international powers intervened in Syria over a decade ago, and now the conflicts of Ukraine, Gaza and Lebanon are all considered to have come together and overlapped in Aleppo.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/setbacks-for-russia-iran-and-hezbollah-turn-into-a-catastrophe-for-syrias-assad-c3e693e8

Theofunny (talk) 20:16, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 December 2024

Kioumars Pourhashemi wiki was made so make it link to him https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kioumars_Pourhashemi Yesyesmrcool (talk) 00:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done – Anwon (talk) 03:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Any sources for intra-Syrian-govt fighting in Damascus?

Is The Jewish Press a WP:RS? The source's claims of a possible attempted coup d'etat in Damascus (Archived 2024-12-01 at archive.today) with claims that Brigadier General Hassam Louka, chief of the regime's general security directorate was attempting to oust President Bashar al-Assad and that Clashes were reported between the Syrian Republican Guard and the Syrian Arab Army's 4th Division in the Kfar Sousa district of Damascus, with gunfire directed at various government buildings. If there are enough serious sources, then this info should really go into a separate article. Boud (talk) 00:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

@Boud From what I've heard any claims of a coup in Damascus are a complete hoax; if a coup really was taking place, you would see mountains of news stories by major media outlets, not just one article from The Jewish Press. There is one article explicitly refuting the coup claims, [2] but it is not from a very reliable source. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 00:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

It does seem surprising that no reports are spreading among reliable sources (leaving the reliability of The Jewish Press an open question) - it's not North Korea or Eritrea that are more or less hermetically sealed from info spreading. Syrian Observatory for Human Rights seems to say nothing about the would-be coup attempt. The expected bias of Western mainstream WP:RS would be to favour reports of a coup attempt, though they would still check multiple sources before making any claims. A few others sources (not necessarily WP:RS) that might be likely to pick up that sort of news quickly - Anadolu Agency no hint of a coup attempt; AJ English nothing; Al Monitor nothing. If the coup attempt is not confirmed to be real, then we'll have at least one solid case for proposing The Jewish Press at WP:RSP. Boud (talk) 01:30, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done @Flemmish Nietzsche: posted at RSN for discussion. Boud (talk) 12:45, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Latakia Governerate in "area"?

Walat al-Madiq and the surrounding areas are within the administrative boundaries of Latakia Governerate.. and the HTS forces claim th have captured them in this offensive. Should Latakia be added to "area" next to Aleppo, Idlib, and Hama? RamiPat (talk) 10:15, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Update: the advances seem to be slim and barely into the administrative border of Latakia, I think it shouldn't be included looking at the current territorial situation

- RamiPat (talk) 23:36, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Casualties

What do you think of having a section to cover the injured and dead people. I made a quick search but the there are a wide range of statistics reported [3], [4] and [5]. Also the data is changing on a daily basis. --Mhhossein ^talk 12:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Map

Menagh Air Base has been taken Over By Rebels Map must Be Changed 78.172.61.182 (talk) 14:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Rojava/AANES/SDF as a third side rather than on SAF side

In the sidebar, Rojava/AANES/SDF is listed as a belligerent on the side of the SAF. Shouldn't it be listed as a third side? Cobblebricks (talk) 20:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

It has not fought with the government on this front, especially according to no reputable sources. It took over some areas after the government withdrawal but without clashes. Plus they seem to have received Russian air support in some cases. I think the current infobox format explains the current situation well. --PanNostraticism2 (talk) 21:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 December 2024 (2)

Add to images Viceskeeni2 (talk) 23:02, 1 December 2024 (UTC)