Talk:Noshir Gowadia

August 2007

Anyone know of anything on his trial? Saw the B2 on Futureweapons(Military Channel) and happen to see this guy. 68.47.63.154 03:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I added news about the continuance for 2008. --KNHaw ^(talk) 16:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

re. Germany and Switzerland

a) Germany is a very close ally of the USA and if any German official would have been offered top secret US material, Germany immediately would have informed the FBI. Maybe he offered data to some individuals from Germany, but surely not to the German state. b) Switzerland doesn't have a aerospace industry that would be interested in the B2 engine's, therefore I removed that country too. c) I also doubt that Gowadia has offered data to Israel - one of the closest US-allies, they would have turned him in too. He wouldn't be that stupid. I guess he really sold data to China and offered it to Iran and India, but he surely has not offered this data to official from nations so closely allied with the USA. --noclador 15:35, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

This article should report what he's been accused of, not what we personally think he's guilty of, so I'm adding those back in, with more citations. You're correct though that he's accused only of sending information to individuals in Germany, Switzerland, and Israel, not to selling it to those countries' governments. --Delirium (talk) 06:20, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Protectfreedomandliberty (talk) 20:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)RE. Germany and SwitzerlandProtectfreedomandliberty (talk) 20:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

a) The charges related to Germany stem from a proposal made by Gowadia's Defense Consulting firm to EADS ( a licensed Dept of Homeland Security military contractor)to do a joint venture on a new US Military project. The proposal was being worked on by Gowadia together with two different German/NATO generals, and a two star USAF general. EADS is jointly owned by the German government together with those of other Western European countries.

b)The charges related to Switzerland stem from a proposal to the office of the President of Switzerland to help design a missile defense system for the Swiss presidential aircraft. The aircraft that fly all of the leaders of major western countries are either equipped or being equipped with systems to protect them from terrorist missiles that can be fired from just about anywhere. Gowadia is world renowned for his expertise in missile defense, and was instrumental in providing the oversigtht to the system that protects American presidents in the USAF Air Force One aircraft.

c) The charges related to Israel relate to Gowadia's work to help protect commercial aircraft owned by El Al, the Israeli government owned airline, from constant surface to air terrorist missile threats. The proposal was made directly to the Israeli government...

d) What you have not read about is the accustation that the Australian Ministry of Defense was also accused by the US Department of Justice and the FBI for "stealing secrets" through Gowadia. In a sworn affidavit, prosecutors claim that Gowadia was paid $2 million by the Australian government. If this were anywhere close to being true, this would have been one of the greatest conspiracies of the past 100 years! Really, the Germans, the Swiss, and the Australians all trying to steal "stealth" secrets?

e)Few of you have also read that Gowadia was interrogated (and tortured) for nine days by the FBI, with no lawyer present for him, no video tapes, no audio tapes, and no "impartial witnesses". During this interrogation, under the very real threat to his life as well as the lives of his family, he was forced to "confess" to crimes which have since been proven to have never existed...

f)There were NEVER any offerings to work with Iran, India or any other non NATO country.

g) The charges related to China stem from a "college project" being worked on by graduate students being taught by Gowadia. At the time of his arrest, he had been a professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics at Purdue University. The charges are not only absurd, but defy all known laws of physics... Unfortunately, the FBI's investigating officer, who has a background in "cyber crimes" is not anywhere close to being literate in fluid dynamics.

Let this poor man have his day in court! If this case were as "cut and dry" as the FBI believed that it was the day that they gave their global press conference announcing the capture of one of the biggest spies in history, the FBI and the DOJ would long ago have had it in court and secured a conviction. Can our government honestly expect the world to believe that in over three years and with nine different government agencies working on this case, countless lawyers, and an unlimited budget, they still have not been able to gather enough evidence to convict a man who "confessed"? Common people, something does smell right here?

Legal contradiction?

It is law in the USA that court trial must be within one year or the case cannot be pursued by the authorities. This is law to protect citizens against state and governement oppression via politically motivated lenghty legal action.

How come he has been under arrest for almost 3 years? Things like that are only seen in continental Europe, where law is based on the ancient Roman principles and the french code Bonaparte Napoleon created out of it. Sometimes they hold people for up to 5 years without verdict. I think american law is based on the ancient anglo-saxon tribal customs, which is a totally different venue. 91.83.18.103 (talk) 20:40, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I think it is called "right to speedy trial" and found in the constitution or maybe the Declaration of Independence? Why is he not invoking his right to a speedy trial in front of a grand jury? Doesn't he get support from ethnic hindustani rights groups based on alleged federal government racial profiling? Lot of question and few answers in the article! 91.83.18.103 (talk) 20:47, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

If you're curious, I'd suggest you do a bit of digging. You're right in that his defense can invoke that right and demand the trial speed up, but most likely they're just as busy gathering data as the prosecution is. My hunch is that it's a tactical decision by his team in order to get him the best chance of a defense. --KNHaw ^(talk) 22:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Protectfreedomandliberty (talk) 20:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC)Your guess is actually incorrect. The trial has been delayed by the prosecution who claims that it is "complex". In reality, they have not been able to gather any evidence against Gowadia, and accordingly, they have sought to put pressure on him to settle by denying him bail at any price, freezing all of his assets, smearing his professional reputation, intimidating witnesses who would testify for him, and putting strain on his wife and family. The truth of the matter is that this has been a GROSS miscarriage of justice, and I am quite certain that it will end many careers in Washington. We all remember Wen Ho Lee, a case similar to this one. After the Washington politicans and the media piled on to this poor man, ultimately it was proven that the FBI and the DOJ both lied in many, many instances to the court and the judge to try and build their case. When the case finally ended, the judge spent the first hour of the proceeding apologizing to Dr. Lee for corruption and injustice that plagued his case. This will be much bigger than that, because the overzealous FBI and DOJ will be in real hot water once Gowadia's defense team is finally able to get this to trial. It will be proven that certain government agencies have covered up very important information that has cost hundreds if not thousands of unneccessarily lost American military lives. This one will undoubtedly go down in legal history. Let's hope that he makes it to trial... As Americans, we should all wonder how it is possible to hold somebody for nearly four years without bail, without a trial, without letting them use their own funds to hire a legal defense, and then blocking them from speaking to the media to tell their story to the world? Is this still America? Protectfreedomandliberty (talk) 20:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Executable? No way!

The article header says he could get the electric chair, but this is impossible. The SCOTUS has a decades old decision which does not allow execution for any crime not resulting in death. He is just a white collar criminal who didn't stab or shoot anybody, so life in prison is the max he could get.

Although I think US gov't willingly makes a mockery of the speedy trial law to keep him arrested until Mr. Gowadia, being an old man, dies in prison "naturally", so the FBI does not need to bother with a trial. I can't get why he lacks any public attention, when there is so much focus on Gitmo. He been behind bars without a trial for much longer than many of the Gitmo jihadists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.97.110.76 (talk) 12:04, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Let it Snowden, let it Snowden!

The Gowadia B-2 design's top secret cross section has been leaked by Ed Snowden via Germany's Der Spiegel:

http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-35687.pdf

One must wonder if we will also learn soon, whether the serb SAMs downed a B-2 Spirit alongside the F-117 in 1999 or not? 82.131.221.237 (talk) 22:42, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

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Education?

There is no reference to his education. Was he like Bob Lazar? Just auditing courses in college but was never enrolled? 2600:8801:2E07:2F00:2529:30D9:608D:21AE (talk) 20:28, 27 August 2022 (UTC)