Talk:Not My Presidents Day/Archive 1

Lead

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Do we want to include the list of cities in the lead? I propose keeping the lead more general and listing cities in the article's prose. This would also remove inline citations from the lead and reduce duplicate linking (city names). ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:34, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Marking this section as resolved since the list of cities no longer appears in the lead. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:26, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Markup before merging

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Since the AfD discussion resulted in a merge request, I am copying markup here for future reference:

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Protester in front of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C. "Not My Presidents Day" (or "Not My President's Day") are a series of rallies against the President of the United States Donald Trump on Washington's Birthday (the American federal holiday also known as Presidents' Day), February 20, 2017. The rallies are being held in multiple cities, including Atlanta, Austin, Baltimore, Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Kansas City, Missouri, Los Angeles, Miami, Milwaukee, New York City, Philadelphia, Portland, Oregon, Saint Paul, San Diego, and Washington, D.C. The marches were mostly coordinated through Facebook. Organizers of the protest stated that while Trump was literally the president, they wanted to show that he did not represent their values. Organizers also said that they chose to rally on President's Day in order to honor presidents of the past by exercising their rights to assembly and protest peacefully. Locations There were around 400 protesters in Atlanta, where a peaceful demonstration and march took place from the Arts Center to Lenox Mall. Many of the people participating in Atlanta's event were first-time protesters. There were around 200 people at the rally in Augusta. The protest was organized by a young, transgender man, Jazpyer Harrington. Several hundred protesters showed up in Austin for the rally, which was also attended by some Trump supporters. In Chicago, hundreds of protesters gathered across the Chicago River from the Trump International Hotel and Tower. Later estimates stated there were 1,200 people. Former governor of Illinois, Pat Quinn, was at the protest and was gathering signatures for a ballot initiative. The Denver protest, which included several hundred demonstrators shut down the 16th Street Mall and the streets surrounding it for two hours. The protest was organized by Hanna Khavafipour, and took place in the evening at the State Capitol building. Over a thousand people attended the rally in Los Angeles. Later, estimates wrote that there were several thousand people at the demonstration. Demonstrators gathered outside of City Hall, and then ended up at Federal Plaza. Los Angeles was the first city to plan a "Not My Presidents Day" rally. The rally caused some traffic delays. At the State University of New York at New Paltz, in New Paltz, New York, demonstrators created and destroyed a cardboard box representation of Trump's proposed border wall. This series of protests marks the fifth day in a row when anti-protests took place in New York City. The crowds first gathered on Central Park West. Around 10,000 to 13,000 people attended the Not My Presidents Day rally, which was held outside Trump International Hotel and Tower, including some Trump supporters. The rally in New York remained peaceful, with no arrests made. The rally also included a disability rights speaker and another speaker from the Stand up to Trump Coalition UK. Two marches were organized in Portland, Oregon; Oregon's Union Movement held an event at Director Park, and Don't Shoot Portland organized an event in front of the Edith Green – Wendell Wyatt Federal Building, where a small group of protestors faced off with police. 13 demonstrators were arrested for blocking traffic. Voice of America video In Rapid City, both anti-Trump and Trump supporters turned out for the "Not My President" rally. Each group stood opposite each other on the intersection of Omaha Street and Mount Rushmore Road. Students for a Democratic Society and anti-Trump activists held a rally on the University of Minnesota campus in Saint Paul. Salt Lake City saw around 200 protesters. Representatives from Utah Women Unite, Utahans Against Police Brutality, SLC Air Protectors and Communidades Unidas were at the rally. The rally also included speakers from various community groups. In Washington, D.C., protesters rallied in DuPont Circle and then marched towards the White House. There were hundreds of protesters in Washington, D.C. Two bikers for Trump surrounded the demonstration and attempted to drown out speakers by revving the motorcycle engines. References References

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Sources

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Here are some additional sources which I don't believe have been incorporated into the Wikipedia article:

Some of them may be re-published/copies, but I think some also cover cities not mentioned in the current article (Eugene, Oregon; Great Barrington, Massachusetts; Marquette; etc).

@Megalibrarygirl: Pinging just in case you are interested. You are probably most familiar with the participating cities and this article's sourcing, but I also understand if you don't want to invest more time and energy on this article, which for reasons I still don't understand, might be merged. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:44, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Another Believer. I don't get it, either. It's pretty obvious that these are notable (the coverage) so passes GNG. The article about protests is going to become (Ahem) YUUUUGE! I think that conservative editors, however, feel that somehow covering these protests is a political act? so yeah, color me confused. I don't mind adding to the articles, but I think I'll wait till we know what's going to happen with this one. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:56, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

@Megalibrarygirl: Sure, no worries. I agree, the event is obviously notable and WP:GNG applies. However, I think it has less to do with editor bias and more to do with the fact that folks were voting on earlier (incomplete) versions of the article. It is easy to vote 'merge' when they see other merge votes starting at the top of the AfD discussion and elect not to conduct their own research. Of course, I understand your preference to wait, but at the same time, I think given the ongoing discussions about how to split the protests against Trump article, there is value in showing that this article should not actually be merged into the larger article. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:02, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Additionally, there are several cities mentioned in passing in the lead, but not detailed below, such as Dallas, Kansas City, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, San Diego, etc. I've created a couple subsections to organize the article a bit, and I'm sure a few more sections for U.S. states could be added as details are added about more cities. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:15, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

It would probably help to add a criticism section. RileyBugz^{Yell at me} | _Edits 22:19, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

@RileyBugz: Definitely. And the article does not have much information about the organizing and planning process. If you're able to help improve the article, please do! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:22, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

I found this source. RileyBugz^{Yell at me} | _Edits 22:59, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

@RileyBugz: This is not particularly Not My Presidents Day-specific, though. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:35, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

I've added an 'under construction' tag to this article. I have to step away now but plan to revisit this article. I very much encourage others to continue working on this article's expansion. @Megalibrarygirl: If we both keep at it I wonder if we can overturn the merge vote. :p ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:30, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

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Cities

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Other cities I've seen mentioned:

• Sarasota, Florida (per this source)  Done
• Kansas City, Missouri (per this source)  Done
• Grand Rapids, Michigan (per this source)  Done
• need to add Baltimore to article's prose (currently only mentioned in passing in lead)  Done
• Dallas  Done

More research needed... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:59, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

• This source says, "There was also a massive anti-Trump rally across the pond in London outside the Palace of Westminster, home of the British Parliament", but I'm not sure if this is specifically related to Not My Presidents Day. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:21, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Marking this section as resolved since sections below address participating cities and international events. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:27, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

International?

NBC News says, "There was also a massive anti-Trump rally across the pond in London outside the Palace of Westminster." It does not confirm whether the event was inspired by NMPD, or coincidental, or something else.

International Business Times says, "Protesters in London held their own anti-Trump protest outside of Westminster as Parliament debated a petition demanding Trump be disinvited from a state visit to the UK."

RT says, "Supporters from around the world joined in staging their own rallies. Thousands rallied in London, while two dozen protesters met in the Orkney Islands to send postcards to President Trump."

I can't find much more than this, so I'm wondering if London or Orkney Islands are worth mentioning in the context of Not My Presidents Day. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:05, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

@Megalibrarygirl: Don't let me interrupt your research, we're so close to being done!, but when you have a moment I would like your thoughts here. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:35, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

@Another Believer:, Cosmopolitan indicates that the Not My President's Day protests in London were, indeed connected to the ones in the US, however, it's not really an article, per se. I'll do some more digging. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:29, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Do you think that the combined coverage of Comso, International Business Times, and NBC News amounts to enough to mention London in the article? The "International" section might look like:

In London, an anti-Trump rally was held outside the Palace of Westminster as Parliament debated whether or not Trump should be allowed to visit the United Kingdom. In Orkney, dozens of protesters gathered to send postcards to Trump.

---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:36, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

I think we can add it. I found some info in German news Deutschlandfunk, Aargaur Zeitung, The Advocate indicates that it was international through a video on their site, but I can't view the whole video for some reason. I'd say, let's add an international section. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:49, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

@Megalibrarygirl: Ok. I proposed a section. Can you change this section as you see fit based on the additional sources you found? I went ahead and co-nominated this article for Good article status, so we're good to go as soon as we polish off the international section. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:54, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

I changed "International" to "United Kingdom", which seems more appropriate, unless I'm overlooking activities elsewhere. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:48, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

@Another Believer: that sounds good. I've only seen UK so far. I'll add to the section. Thanks for nominating the article for GA. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:18, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

New York

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@Megalibrarygirl: Regarding this edit: You added NYC content to the New Paltz part of the section, but I'm also wondering about the inconsistency with two different Trump buildings mentioned. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:38, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh, there were protests outside both buildings? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:41, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh, that was my bad, Another Believer! I made a mistake and I've fixed it. Sorry about that. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:58, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

@Megalibrarygirl: No worries, thanks for correcting. You had added content about Trump Tower, which is different than the building now mentioned in the article (Trump International Hotel and Tower (New York City)). I'm wondering if there were protests outside both Trump buildings. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:59, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

@Another Believer:, no it was just a mistake--I must have had a "brain cloud" or something. LOL However, I did find information that there was a protest in front of the mayor's office. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:50, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for clarifying. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:41, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Request: Map showing participating cities

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See also: Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Map_workshop § Request_for_U.S._map_displaying_specific_cities_for_article_about_the_Not_My_Presidents_Day_protest

I won't hold my breath, and I wish graphics like this were easy to create, but I think this article could greatly benefit from a U.S. displaying participating cities. If there is someone who is willing to take on this task, please let me know. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:18, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

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Ann Arbor Atlanta Augusta Austin Baltimore Chicago Columbia Denver Detroit Eugene Gainesville Great Barrington Grand Rapids Kansas City Knoxville Las Vegas Marquette Miami Milwaukee New Paltz NYC Ocala Philadelphia Portland Rapid City Saint Paul Salt Lake City Seattle Washington, D.C. West Palm Beach White Plains class=notpageimage| Map of the contiguous United States showing cities with Not My Presidents Day demonstrations, excluding the U.S. states of California and New Jersey Anaheim Los Angeles Palm Desert Pasadena San Diego San Francisco San Jose San Mateo Santa Barbara class=notpageimage| Map of California Hackensack Newark Ocean City class=notpageimage| Map of New Jersey An editor at the Graphics Lab provided instructions, so I'm working on a map for this article. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:31, 27 March 2017 (UTC) Anaheim  Done Ann Arbor  Done Atlanta  Done Augusta, Maine  Done Austin, Texas  Done Baltimore  Done Chicago  Done Columbia, South Carolina  Done Denver  Done Detroit  Done Gainesville  Done Grand Rapids  Done Great Barrington, Massachusetts  Done Hackensack  Done Kansas City  Done Knoxville  Done Las Vegas  Done Los Angeles  Done Marquette  Done Miami  Done Milwaukee  Done New Paltz  Done New York City  Done Newark  Done Ocala  Done Ocean City  Done Palm Desert  Done Pasadena  Done Philadelphia  Done Rapid City  Done Saint Paul  Done Salt Lake City  Done San Diego  Done San Francisco  Done San Jose  Done San Mateo  Done Santa Barbara  Done Seattle  Done Washington, D.C.  Done West Palm Beach  Done White Plains  Done ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:24, 27 March 2017 (UTC) I went ahead and added the map of California to the article. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:21, 27 March 2017 (UTC) So, I added three maps to the article. One for the contiguous U.S., plus separate maps for California and New Jersey. Trying to display all markers on a single proved to be impossible, at least without inlays, which is not something I'm willing to tackle right now. If editors decide the maps are unnecessary, please revert to this version of the article. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:36, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

@Megalibrarygirl: What do you think of these maps? Yay or nay, before we request a Good article nomination? (There are still four cities to research, as listed below, and we are still waiting for these merge discussions to slow down and a copy edit from the Guild of Copy Editors, but we are inching our way closer to finishing this draft.) ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:39, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

@NordNordWest: Also pinging you, in case you are interested to see how your assistance ended up being put to use in the current Wikipedia article. I'm definitely open to your improvements or thoughts on whether or not these maps are beneficial to the article. Not required, though. Thanks again for the helpful tip -- I will be sure to create more maps in the future. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 04:57, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

A map is often more demonstrative than a list of cities. I'm totally fine with this. NNW (talk) 07:49, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

@NordNordWest: OK, thanks! At some point I'll try to learn how to do maps with inlays. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:41, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

@Another Believer:, I like the maps! Nice! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:20, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Great, that makes 3 votes in favor of the maps, so I'll leave them as we go into the Good article nomination process. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:52, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

@Megalibrarygirl: Thanks for catching Minneapolis and adding to map. This is exactly why collaborating is best. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:56, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

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I am archiving this section, but please feel free to start a new discussion re: maps, if needed. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:50, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

@Megalibrarygirl: Thanks for mentioning Riverside and adding a pin to the map. Does Riverside need to be mention, even if in passing, in the California section to avoid confusion? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:10, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

New York map

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@Megalibrarygirl: Can you tell why the New York map is not displaying correctly? I used the same template as I did for the other states, and just removed the map entries from the US map to the NY map. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:56, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Never mind, sorry! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:13, 12 April 2017 (UTC)