Talk:Nothing but Love

Requested moves

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the pages at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 01:42, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

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• Nothing but Love → Nothing but Love (The Wilkinsons album)
• Nothing but Love (disambiguation) → Nothing but Love

– The article about the WP:RECENTish album by The Wilkinsons has had only 673 views in the last 90 days (including me looking at it to prepare this nomination), and yet this poorly sourced stub containing nothing but chart statistics and boilerplate data is sitting at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC status rather than the dab page that is listing a dozen other topics. Per WP:DAB, topics should be disambiguated unless they are clearly primary. I'd consider this completely uncontroversial, but a very similar move was just reverted a few days ago. --Relisted. Dekimasuよ! 19:55, 23 November 2014 (UTC) —BarrelProof (talk) 00:14, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

• Do not capitalize "but" per WP:NCCAPS and MOS:CT. "but" is treated as a three-letter preposition, not an adverb. I am unsure of whether Nothing but Love (Standing in the Way) meets or fails WP:NM, so neutral on disambiguation. However, if consensus agrees to disambiguate the album, use "(album)" instead of the proposed one per WP:CONCISE and WP:PRECISE. There are no other albums (not songs) of the same name, and Nuttin' But Love doesn't cut it. --George Ho (talk) 00:36, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

  I certainly agree with you about not capitalizing "but". If that was the reason for the revert, then I agree with that. Regarding "(album)" versus "(The Wilkinsons album)", I notice there is an album by Brian Free and Assurance and another album with the very similar name Nuttin' But Love. Considering those together with the low page view count for this album, I think it's best to use "(The Wilkinsons album)". And as time passes by, the relative popularity of this album will probably further decline and more albums using this common phrase as their name will appear. —BarrelProof (talk) 01:37, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

  I've dealt with similar moves before; see Talk:In My Wildest Dreams. The 2012 album by Brian Free and Assurance is not notable because very few or no sources cover it. And the spellings, despite close pronunciation resemblance, of Nuttin and Nothing are different enough to distinguish two different topics. --George Ho (talk) 01:45, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

  I may agree that few people would go looking for "Nothing" by spelling it "Nuttin'", but it is reasonable to think that what has been pronounced as "Nuttin'" would be written as "Nothing". —BarrelProof (talk) 18:51, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

  Change to oppose - Consistently, natural disambiguation is sufficient enough to differentiate from existing articles with natural titles, Nothing but Love (Standing in the Way) and Nuttin' But Love. The title may be basic, but there is no competitive notable topic of the exact same name. Extra disambiguation would affect the current primary topic's flimsy but stable notability. I've learned this from experience, like Talk:In My Wildest Dreams and Talk:Staying Alive. We can't disambiguate the album or use parenthetical disambiguation just because of solely the title's (lightly) potential ambiguity. In fact, readers may go to the disambiguation page. --George Ho (talk) 00:26, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

• Support no primary, and more than one album. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:47, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose – There doesn't seem to be any competing article by the same name; the other topics listed on the disambiguation page are almost all songs (and one album) without their own articles. --V2Blast (talk) 07:54, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
• Support. With 2 albums and 11 songs listed at the disambiguation page, primary anything is not and cannot be proven. --Richhoncho (talk) 10:02, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

None of them can top the current primary topic—unfortunately—because Nuttin' But Love is spelled differently and Nothing but Love (Standing in the Way) is already distinctive enough. If articles about other topics of the same name exist, they would have failed WP:notability and WP:notability (music) because others are not widely significantly covered by reliable sources. --Gh87 in the public computer (talk) 21:45, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

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Merge singles into this article?

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Technically, the singles from the album may (or may not) meet WP:NM for hitting charts. However, as stand-alone articles, can they individually function? --George Ho (talk) 01:01, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

• WP:NM doesn't say that everything that charts is definitely notable, and doesn't override WP:GNG. I support the merge suggestion. —BarrelProof (talk) 01:28, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
• Don't merge There is a consensus among country music editors that top 20 songs are inherently notable. Not only were all four singles top 20 hits and among the 100 most played songs of the year but two reached number one, two reached the top 20 in mulitple countries and charted on the Hot 100 and one was the recipient of multiple Canadian Country Music Association awards and nominated for an Academy of Country Music award. There is enough in these articles for them to stand on their own. Eric444 (talk) 02:46, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
• Not bothered - no harm being standalone. Might encourage someone to add some actual content about the notes and lyrics. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:49, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

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