Talk:Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan/Archive 1

Archive 1

Dream

Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan is truly a phenomenal artist who deserves all the accolades and praises heaped in him. HOWEVER:

1. He said he had a dream in which his father (also a singer) appeared (shortly after his death) encouraging him to sing at a shrine. Definitely not Allah but his father in a dream.

2. He was not the first South Asian singer to be heard by western audiences. Before that you have people such as Ravi Shankar and their touring group.

Two comments (added 3/29/05):

1) There are many different versions of the dream story (although I've never heard one featuring Allah).

2) "Singer" and "Musician" are not synonymous. It is probably correct that Nusrat was the first Indo-Pak singer to be widely heard by Western audiences.

Dream story

I have taken out the dream story (see discussion above) in an edit performed on April 14. Will put a more authentic version of the story back in later, as I continue to work on the page. Sarabseth 00:56, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Stub?

Surely we have risen above stub-hood already? After all, the official definition is "A stub is a very short article, generally of one paragraph or less."

It's true that the article can, should and hopefully will be substantially expanded, but it doesn't sound right to call it a stub. Sarabseth 01:29, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

revision by 67.180.61.179 on 5/21

Reverted to previous because:

1) Copyrighted material hosted without authorization may not be linked (right?).

2) Without the song excerpts, the material that was added essentially just duplicates the material under Qawwali.

Sarabseth 01:57, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

reverted it back

Reverted it back because using song clips in this way is fair use under the copyright laws.

request to 67.180.61.179

If you remember where you read about Nusrat listening to commercials etc. could you please post the reference here?

Also, it's not clear what you mean by the last sentence "He would match that with songs in his repotioure.". Could you please clarify that in the entry?

Thanks! Sarabseth 12:22, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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That I believe was from an interview with the lady who was the head of the ethnomusicology department of the university of seattle. What I meant by the last scentence was that he would figure out which chord progressions were most used in the popular songs, and find songs in his repotioure that used those same chord progressions.

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The idea being that he would then play those songs in his concerts in that country? Sarabseth 18:51, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Yes, that would be the idea.

Dream story removed twice this week

69.194.181.141 added this story on 9/11. I removed it with the comment "Removing apocryphal story".

69.194.181.141 has added it back again on 9/12, with no discussion or comment. I have removed it again., with the comment "removed apocryphal story (see Talk)".

There are many different versions of many different dream stories floating around. It's not at all clear whether any of the basic stories are true, and if so, which is the authentic version.

If 69.194.181.141 wants to add the story back, they should first sort out the issue here (in Talk) before adding it into the article. They could start by responding to the following questions:

1) What is the source of the story?

2) How come on 9/11 his father's funeral was 16 days after the dream, and on 9/12 it became 40 days? What is the source of these "facts"?

Sarabseth 13:43, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Nusrat must have told this dream story to interviewers on more than one occasion. If it verifiably came from his mouth, it is notable. If someone could find and cite such a reference and add it to the article that would be great. If there were different versions of the story then state this in the paragraph describing the dream. Nobody will know whether he really had such a dream or made it up, but if he said it then it is worthy of inclusion in the article. Badagnani 22:59, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, that *is* the point. Did he say it, or did someone else just make it up? Sarabseth 12:39, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

I did a Google search for "Nusrat" and "dream" and "interview" and this was one of the first things that came up. Maybe this will help. [1] Badagnani 17:59, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Good work! Why don't you add it back to the article please? Sarabseth 01:41, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

The thing is, the interviewer seems to be putting words in Nusrat's mouth, by saying something like "Now you had this dream when you were 16, right?", and Nusrat doesn't really address it. Wish there were an interview in which Nusrat states the dream as he recalls it. Other versions state that he dreamed that he'd perform at the shrines of Ajmer in India but I'm not sure if this is a related dream or the same one. I'd prefer if a person with more qawwali expertise followed up on this  :) Badagnani 01:48, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Here is the story as it appears in the liner notes of the album 'Devotional and Love Songs' (a WOMAD production for REALWORLD 1992, previously released by Oriental Star Agencies Ltd in 1988): "The Khan family have been developing the art of Qawwali for over six centuries. Nusrat himself, however, had no intention of becomming a Qawwal. He only decided to sing after a recurring dream convinced him this was the path to follow. He dreamt he was singing at the famous shrine of Hazrat Khawaja Moin-ud-Din at Ajmer in India. At first he believed it to be absurd - no Qawwal had ever been allowed to sing inside this most famous of Muslim shrines. He was sufficiently persuaded, however, that he should follow in his father's footsteps - and he became leader of the Qawwali Party in 1971. Astonishingly enough, Nusrat's dream proved to be true. In 1979 when the singer and his Party visited the famous shrine as pilgrims, Nusrat was invited to sing - the very first Qawwal to have received this honour." MatthewStevenCarlos 17 October 2005 12:08pm EDT

This is a different dream story from the one that Badagnani came up with on Sep 15. (Check out the link). This is why I had said "There are many different versions of many different dream stories floating around." And even though it is there in the liner notes, and RealWorld is a respectable label, I still wouldn't rush to accept this dream story as authentic. In other words, I still feel: "It's not at all clear whether any of the basic stories are true, and if so, which is the authentic version." I've read some real howlers in liner notes to Nusrat's cds before. And the provenance of this liner note story is not at all clear. What was the source of the story? Who did the writer hear it from? Sarabseth 15:11, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Note, on the first documentary "world music portraits, nusrat fateh ali khan", released by shanchie (the best doc on nusrat in my opinion), there is an actual video interview with nusrat where he says the dream story as follows: After his dad died he didn't want to sing, but he dreamt that he was in a shrine he had never seen before and was singing alongside his dad, and awoke singing. He described the shrine to Mubarik Ali Khan who said it was the shrine where Fateh Ali Khan would always sing (not "no qwuallis had ever sung there before") in Ajmer. The "visionary" part was that he envisioned the shrine without actually ever haveing been there, supposedly. He took this as a sign to keep on singing.

I would suggest that as it is clear and definitive that a dream strongly figured into the choice for Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (now several people have cited Nusrath Fateh Ali Khan mentioning it himself) to pursue the Qawwali path some mention of the dream be made in the main article with a statement that there are multiple versions from several respectable sources although absolute verification of any is illusive. I would also forward that however 'fanatical' (= "undoubtedly the world's biggest qawwali freak") Sarabseth is about Qawwali .. Wikipedia is a *communal* venture .. and therefore what Sarabseth is or is not comfortable with is not the final arbitor for the content of the Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan entry. MatthewStevenCarlos 06 November 2005

I don't see how I'm being fanatical here. I don't see how I have set myself up as any kind of final arbiter.

I put up the topic for discussion on this page. We seem to have reached a consensus that only an authentic/validated version of the dream story should be included in the article. If you read the discussion above you will see that I invited Badagnani to add the version he had discovered on Sep 15, but he wasn't comfortable doing so as he felt it wasn't sufficiently authenticated. You will also see that it's not elusive any more. From the info posted by 68.127.202.211 on nov 4 (the entry just before yours) it is clear that the documentary cited there has Nusrat describing the story in his own words. Now all it needs is for someone to write up that version.

What 69.194.181.141 did was just re-insert the same version he/she had posted earlier, without paying the least attention to the discussion on this page. If anyone is being arbitrary and unilateral, it's probably 69.194.181.141 and not me.

May I respectfully suggest that next time you want to slam someone you first take the time to make sure what the facts are, before passing judgement? Sarabseth 12:46, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

It is great that someone has found a first-hand account of the dream story. I agree that some new text should be added to the article to reflect this. (I haven't seen the film, or else I would give it a shot.) Also, this film should be added to the filmography. Badagnani 19:35, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Audio files

The sounds never worked for me, no matter how I tried to open them or with what program. Maybe that's why they were removed? Badagnani 18:02, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Maybe; it would have been helpful if the person who removed them had stated the reason.

They can be played using Audacity (free download at http://audacity.sourceforge.net/). I don't know what other players work with ogg files. Sarabseth 14:19, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Its wikipedia policy to only have .ogg files. I will get around to putting the files back up since there was no explanation why they were taken down.

Films and Video

This concerns the changes I made on 9/23.

1) There are a very large number of VHS videotapes, VCDs and DVDs which contain live performance footage by Nusrat. We can't possibly list them all. Doesn't make sense to list just two. That being said, the JVC video is not widely known, so I'm preserving the information here:

• The JVC Video Anthology of World Music and Dance (1990). Video 14 (of 30) (South Asia IV). Produced by Ichikawa Katsumori; directed by Nakagawa Kunikiko and Ichihashi Yuji; in collaboration with the National Museum of Ethnology, Osaka. [Tokyo]: JVC, Victor Company of Japan; Cambridge, Massachusetts: distributed by Rounder Records. (Features two long performances by Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan and Party.)

2) It seems unnecessary to have a separate sub-category just for one link because it happens to contain video clips. There are a bunch of links. Some sites contain only text, some have audio files, some have video. There's probably no point separating out sub-categories unless there are several sites to put into a given sub-category. The fact that this link takes you to video clips is there in the entry in any case.

Sarabseth 13:10, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

It is incorrect to state that the JVC series is not well known. The 30-volume series is widely known, a standard item used in most North American courses on world music, in dozens if not hundreds of university libraries.

I disagree about not including the two important films which were blanked from the filmography section. They are not simply "footage" of Nusrat, they are extended concert films. People should not be prevented from the knowledge of how to find these items. I'm not aware of the "very large" number of other commercially released/available concert films of Nusrat but I suspect "very large" is an exaggeration, unless you're speaking of South Asian releases that aren't available worldwide. Yes, let's list all that are known/available. I don't think Nusrat would disapprove of this!  :) Badagnani 20:43, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

The JVC series may be well known in academic circles. It is certainly not well known to even hard-core Nusrat fans. I know several people who have dedicated themselves to collecting, or at least hearing and watching, everything released by Nusrat. And none of them had even heard of this JVC video. And even if it is in hundreds of university library collections, it is still not widely available in the sense of being available to the common man.

--"Important", unfortunately, is a subjective label.

--When I said "VHS videotapes, VCDs and DVDs which contain live performance footage by Nusrat", I did mean full-length concert "films", usually running two hours or so.

--And no, I'm not talking just about South Asian releases (although to be realistic, these days everything is available worldwide). For example, OSA (Nusrat's UK label) has 21 videotapes and 13 DVDs, which can be ordered online from anywhere in the world. All of these are "extended concert films". An Indian label, Nupur, has several VCDs and DVDs too. So I don't think "very large" was an exaggeration. (BTW, it is usually not considered polite to accuse someone of exaggeration. So, as a general practice, one should refrain from doing so if one is totally unaware of the facts.)

--Finally, a question. Is there perhaps some dissonance between the statement that these two films are important and widely known, and the statement that deleting the entries means people are being "prevented from the knowledge of how to find these items"?

Instead of "re-adding" the deleted entries, may I suggest that the grown-up way to resolve this disaggreement would have been to let other people chime in with their input and then go with the majority opinion?

In any case, since you have "re-added" them, I'll leave them there and let people voice their opinion, and we can take it from there.

Sarabseth 12:13, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

The JVC series isn't generally available in stores because it's 30 volumes, but I just checked WorldCat and the series is in 450 libraries (mostly North American ones). In addition to university libraries it's also in many city public libraries as well. If you don't have access to WorldCat let me know where you live and I'll let you know the nearest library that has it, if you are interested. The Nusrat and Party performances are excellent and beautifully shot; there is a "Hamd" and another title I can't remember, probably about 40 minutes total, a multi-camera stage performance filmed in Japan, the best I have seen. The OSA films sound good; I'm not familiar with those but probably a link or filmography entry should be listed for these, perhaps collectively rather than individually if space is of such great concern. Some rock "supergroups" like The Rolling Stones have enormous discographies/filmographies that have their own Wikipedia articles, and their music is not as spiritually redeeming (to most)! :) The more information about how to find Nusrat's music that is available, the better; from what I have read, Nusrat was very enthusiastic about his music (and the messages contained in it) becoming better known around the world (even going so far as to allow his music to be "remixed"), and this article is a great way to do that. Badagnani 18:52, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

"Hamd" is not really a title; it's just a category label (there's a discussion of Qawwali categories in Qawwali for anyone who is interested).

My guess would be that the two Nusrat songs on this video are a subset of the songs on a two volume cd titled "Qawwali: The Vocal Art of the Sufis" that was recorded on Sep. 20 1987 and released by JVC, Japan (a studio recording, as far as I know). If you still have access to the video, could you check the songs against the following list:

Qawwali: The Vocal Art Of The Sufis, Vol. I

1. Nami Danam

2. Allah Muhammad Char Yaar

3. Data Saheb De Daware

4. Yadaan Vichhde Sajan Diyaan Aiyaan

Qawwali: The Vocal Art Of The Sufis, Vol. II

1. Allah Hoo

2. Yaad-e-Nabi Ka Gulshan

3. Haq Ali Ali

4. Ho Karam Ki Nazar

Thanks for the offer, but on Nusrat matters, I don't let the grass grow under my feet. I have already located the nearest copy of the video, and should be able to watch it for myself early next week.

Returning to the Nusrat article, I don't see why space should be a concern. I also don't see why these two films should be accorded a special status over any of the others, just because they happen to be two Nusrat films you like, or just because they happen to be widely available in university libraries in North America. My original point was intended to be that either we should have a complete filmography or none. Picking just two films tends to impart a subjective flavor to the entry. If someone is willing to put in the time and effort to assemble a complete Nusrat filmography, that would be great. Whether it's part of the Nusrat article or a separate article probably doesn't matter a whole lot.

Sarabseth 19:39, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

What you write makes a lot of sense. The only point I would raise is that Wikipedia articles are a cumulative process and aren't really ever complete (although they can get close). Many of the articles I've begun start as stubs, and people gradually add to them, a process I enjoy very much. Discographies and filmographies, for Nusrat and musicians of other styles, usually aren't ever complete but one can add to them little by little. As far as Nusrat is concerned I filled in the gaps with videos I knew of and others can do the same. If the section gets too large (as with the Rolling Stones), the discography/filmography can be moved into a new article. I have no agenda about privileging films I know about over ones I don't; like you, I'd very much like to know about other ones. Please let us know what you find out about those video tracks; I think you are probably right that those sessions were done for both audio CD and video. Badagnani 19:52, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Update after watching:

It is indeed a studio recording. The hamd is "Ya Haiyo Ya Qayyuum (14:56)", which is not on Qawwali: The Vocal Art Of The Sufis. Then there is a manqabat: "Ho Karam Ki Nazar" (16:20). This *is* on Qawwali: The Vocal Art Of The Sufis, but the CD version is 12:31. My first impression on hearing the manqabat was that I have never heard this version before (but it's always possible that more careful listening and comparing to other versions will prove me wrong). Sarabseth 12:54, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

In case anyone feels like adding the Nupur Audio VCDs and DVDs the link for their web page is http://nupuraudio.com/titlesCart.asp?CategoryId=DVD&CategoryTitle=img/DVD/Head.gif Sarabseth 11:51, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Tributes: changes made on 9/24

I have removed the "audio clip" and "photo" that were there at the end of this entry. Those links made it sound too much like a promotional plug for "Brook's Qawwali Party". The link to the band's web page is still there. No doubt all the readers who are intrigued by this qawwali jazz band will follow the link, and will be able to check out the audio clips and photos for themselves.Sarabseth 19:59, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

> All the samples are instrumental, but in their live performances they sing a little too?

There are vocals in "Mast Mast" and "Allah Hu" (last and third to last selections in "music" section), and also wordless vocals in the alap and last minute of "Man Kunto Maula." Badagnani 20:14, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Ishq Anokhadi Peedh

Has anyone heard (or heard of) this song by Nusrat? I believe it is a qawwali, but I could be wrong. Thanks! Sarabseth 11:47, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Capitalization

Do the words qawwali and qawwal need to be capitalized every time they occur in the article? I would have thought that you capitalize Qawwali the first time, and then revert to lower case after that. Sarabseth 02:17, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Tributes: request to vinaykurup

Could you please add in the context in which Eddie Vedder's remarks were made? Thanks! Sarabseth 12:39, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Persian blog - video entry

Please follow format of other entries and be specific about what video content is available on the site. Sarabseth 12:29, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

New tribute band link

This new link was just added:

• Three part film about a Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan tribute band

I haven't watched the video, but it may be a parody rather than a tribute. If someone watches it, can you please correct the description, if necessary? --Sarabseth 13:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Opening sentence: musician or singer?

I think it's better to say musician rather than singer, since a major part of Nusrat's magic lies in his compositions. But the sentence construction doesn't work if you just change "singer of qawwali" to "qawwali musician". Can someone try to to fix it? --Sarabseth 11:40, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Tribute Quote Grammar

Should "I idolize Nusrat, his a god to" be "I idolize Nusrat, he's a god too." ? --Abhijitpai 03:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup

I've tagged this article with an unreferenced and inapt tone tags because there is a lot of unreferenced and unsourced info in this article. I'll also work on it because it needs a big cleanup. A smarter picture would also be nicer. Ekantik ^talk 01:29, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Smarter? --Sarabseth 03:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Yep, a nicer picture. By the way why did you revert about Nusrat's Bollywood contributions? If references are necessary then they can be provided, but I didn't think it would be necessary to cite sources for the obvious i.e.: what any good Nusrat fan would already know. It is certainly not POV. Ekantik ^talk 04:11, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I didn't revert. Just took out the language about entering a new phase of his career; that was the POV part. Everything else is still there. --Sarabseth 05:10, 16 December 2006 (UTC) nusrat fateh ali khan saheb is my roll model he is in my heart

Ah I see, guess I read too fast, heh. Sorry! Ekantik ^talk 01:57, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I apologise, I'll get around to this article soon. Ekantik ^talk 06:17, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Discography?

I was wondering, is there any point in adding a discography section to list all of his released albums and such? Obviously there must be thousands, but the one consolation is that we may not have to include reissues and posthumous releases? It'll be a big job of course. Ekantik ^talk 02:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Tribute song by Justin Timberlake

Can anyone confirm that this is true: "Justin Timberlake also wrote a tribute song about Nusrat , called "You're Gone". This song is also unreleased." --Sarabseth 21:24, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Commercial Catalogues

you tube videos are not allowed apparently
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.13.245.61 (talk • contribs) 10:16, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
If we are not allowing external links to commercial sites or just any old site, should we allow commercial catalogues on this artist considering the amount of recordings. Submitting articles on from niche one company seems out of place —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.13.241.54 (talk) 16:06, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

I am removing the commercial catalogues from this site, because they are commercial catalogues that have been added by an amazon type site. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.13.255.71 (talk) 20:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

because they are commercial catalogues that have been added by an amazon type site

No, they were added by a devoted fan who typed up the long list.

A list of this type is invaluable to any Nusrat fan who's trying to build a complete collection. The hope is still that other editors will expand the list, both by adding new entries and by adding additional info to existing entries. Have resored the list. PLEASE DO NOT DELETE AGAIN! --Sarabseth 14:28, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

In general, lists are discouraged in Wikipedia. For example, other important like John Coltrane are given only a "Selected discography". While the attention to detail is impressive, perhaps the section could be improved with editing. For example, there seems little point for listing several DVD's (all with the same title) in a series. Perhaps the title and "vols. 1 - 10" could be substituted. If you want to maintain a more comprehensive list, a new article "Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan complete discography" should be created - but as in this list, it should not include links to commercial retailers. (See John_Coltrane_discography for an example). Nposs 15:10, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

you can not put a commercial catalogue on wikipedia you will have to put that catalogue on amazon instead sorry. You simple cannot put commercial catalogues on wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.248.184 (talk • contribs)

How is this list different than a discography? Also, please stop reverting the edits of other contributors. Wait until consensus (WP:CONSENSUS) has been reached in this discussion before making any more edits. Edit warring will result in a block on your IP address - see WP:3RR. Nposs 15:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

you're right, Nposs, the list is really a discography, a very partial one at this stage. (Also see discussion under "Films and Video" and "Discography?" above.) Can a complete discography be a separate wikipage?

and you're absolutely right that the list in its current form conveys little useful info. however, i have intended for a while now to look up the DVDs I have and list the date and venue of each performance. that would make it a very useful list; as far as I know this information is not available anywhere, not even the sites of the music labels in question.

for the record, when the lists were introduced, I opposed them initially, but I was persuaded by Badagnani that they are useful. --Sarabseth 14:22, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Nposs stop stalking my edits this is a commercial catalogue and as they are all from one company google will do leave it of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.231.183 (talk • contribs)

I'm not stalking you and if you look at the edit history you'll see that I haven't reverted any of your recent edits. Several editors have disagreed with your changes and have taken action on their own. This is part of the process of consensus building - WP:CONSENSUS. When one editor makes the same change to an article repeatedly, it is viewed as a form of "edit warring" - and it is not constructive to the process of building consensus. You are invited to discuss the changes on the talk page and work with other editors to reach an outcome that is amenable to all editors. Keep in mind: Wikipedia is not a battleground or a soapbox - WP:NOT. Nposs 17:29, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

89.241.231.183: get your facts right. the listed material is not all from OSA. There are 11 items from Music Today; of course, that's not clear any more because you or one of your partners in crime removed the names of the recording labels from the list.

When you're caught resorting to lies to justify your childish, petulant edit war, that's a clear sign you have some unknown personal axe to grind, and that you should probably give up because people have caught onto you.

Apart from your lie that "they are all from one company", in the edit summary at 14:47 on 25 April 2007 your partner in crime 84.13.244.75 went "I understand that the author works closely with the company" which again is a lie, and may well be regarded by the poor guy who painstakingly typed up the list as slander.

Why don't you guys crawls back to where you came from, or start an anti-OSA blog to vent your spleen, since it is the clear consensus of numerous editors here that the film catalog should stay? --Sarabseth 13:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
You dont even know the guy and Youtube videos are better. much better—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.241.237.241 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
You have been duped it is a commercial catalogue made available by one distributor osa this is not an anti osa. they make money for the industry but if you want to cheapen the image of nusrat your call. Profiteering is a sin.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.241.237.241 (talk • contribs) 15:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Film/Discography section

After reviewing the state of Nusrat's recordings, I think preparing a comprehensive list of records and videos in not well advised. It is very difficult to tell which material was originally produced by him or repackaged and sold under his name. From what I can tell, OSA and Nupur Audio had some sort of "official" relationship with his estate so I've left the entries for those videos. Clearly the section should be expanded, especially to include audio recordings. In particular, it would be good to add some of the albums on the Real World label and the collaborations he did with Western artists. Of course, this is not very representative of his entire career and if someone has more info about his record production history in the East, it would be a good addition. I would strongly discourage against listing all of the "Best of ..." and other collection oriented records and videos. The number of these appears to be interminable and it is difficult to say which are properly licensed. Nposs 16:50, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

OSA was his UK label; they released over 100 CDs. Before the Indian label Nupur started releasing Nusrat recordings, for many years the licensed Indian label was T-Series. They released over 50 CDs. Virtually all Nupur CDs are re-releases of T-Series albums. Many early recordings were released on the Pakistani RGH label, and on EMI Pakistan. --Sarabseth 12:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we can organize that recording history and put it in somehow (along with a few "selected" albums that were especially important.) Nposs 13:21, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

So nposs you work in the industry we will one day meet I am sure and after what you have done setting a. b. on me who published links to my address that was wrong. You and he stalked everything I did on wikipedia and I am not even a money making site. So you and A. B. are from birmgingham england. You know he traced other things I was involved in that have nothing to do with wikipedia.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.244.247 (talk • contribs)

Please read the talk page guidelines: Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines. Article talk pages should be used only to discuss the article, not users. Please use the user talk pages for discussions about users. To answer your comment, I do not work in the music industry or live in England. I have never even listened to the music of Ali Khan. I'm simply trying to help mediate the conflict between editors on the inclusion of information about the artists audio and film recordings in this article. I also have no relationship with A.B. or ever contacted the user about your contributions to Wikipedia. Please review my posting history if you question these statements and in the future, direct comments about users to the respective user talk pages. Nposs 03:04, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Language

What language were most of his songs sung in? 78.86.12.25 15:49, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

From the article: "He sang in Urdu and his native Punjabi, as well as Persian."

I am familiar only with his traditional qawwali output. He recorded about 370 different songs that I'm aware of. There are about 10 songs in Brajbhasha/Hindi, another 10 in Persian, and the rest are pretty evenly divided between Urdu and Punjabi. --Sarabseth 12:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Infobox added Aug 8, 07

I'm not sure the infobox adds very much.

Also, although he was could play both the harmonium and tabla, he never played the tabla in any performance, and the harmonium only in a handful, so describing instruments as "harmonium tabla" doesn't seem very accurate. --Sarabseth 15:03, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Name of Song?

Anyone know the name of this one NFAK song, I'm not sure how to write the lyrics down in English but it had something to do with a bird and men hurting it or something like that when translated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.228.1 (talk) 00:52, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

From?

Why does it say "Nusrat's family (originally from Afghanistan)". Nusrat and both his parents were born in Punjab of Pakistan. What is the relevancy of including that in there? Is there even any proof that his grandparents are from Afghanistan? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.134.56 (talk) 22:30, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

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Selected Lyrics - Copyright Violation?

Should this section even be in the article? Isn't it along the same lines of "do not post lyrics from an album on the album's article, as one has no permission to do so from the copyright holder"? --71.156.88.143 (talk) 05:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Maybe there's a problem with posting the complete lyrics to a song. But short excerpts are surely okay under the fair use doctrine? --Sarabseth (talk) 06:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

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Attribution of NatGeo Source

The last paragraph of the section of the article entitled "Nusrat's style of Qawwali" is a direct quote from the National Geographic World Music page on Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan. Could somebody please attribute this the way it should be? I'm not sure how to connect references and such. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.240.26.24 (talk) 20:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Musician article needs attention

Lead needs expansion. Better description of his music is required. More referencs are needed. Samples should be added Zaindy^٨٧ 12:28, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Capitalizing "Qawwali"

Does this word have to be capitalized every time it appears in the article? Why? (Would "opera", for instance, be capitalized at every occurrence?) Sarabseth (talk) 11:29, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Composition of Nusrat's Qawwali Party

The original list was taken from a specific CD, to give a snapshot of the composition of the party at a given point in time.

The idea is not to produce an exhaustive list of all the people who were in the party at different points in time.

It seems to make sense to mention significant members of the party below the list, people like Atta Fareed who played with Nusrat for a long time and appear on many songs. I'm not sure it makes sense to list people who were there only very briefly, like Irshad Munir. --Sarabseth (talk) 15:42, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

External Links: edits by Themfromspace on sept 28, 2008

Could you please explain why you deleted some links and left others?

For example, what qualifies

• Qawwali, Ghazal, Naat, Hamd... Lyrics(A few Nusrat Fateh Ali lyrics)

and

• Memories of Qawwali: a tribute to Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan

for inclusion, when

• Fan site with photos, lyrics, articles (nusratforever.com)

and

• Music, lyrics and English translations (Nusrat.info)

are being excluded?

If you don't mind, I would like to restore the yahoo newsgroup link

• Yahoo discussion group dedicated to Nusrat and his music (includes photographs, lyrics, translations, song lists).

It has a wealth of unique material, especially the comprehensive song lists that are not available anywhere else. (The guidelines only say such links are "normally to be avoided". That does mean they can be included when appropriate.) Sarabseth (talk) 03:04, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

• Sarabseth- I deleted the links that did not comply with Wikipedia's guidelines for external links. For your examples, the first two links are to blogs, and according to WP:EL "Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority" are normally to be avoided. These pages by their very nature change without warning so you never know exactly what you're linking to. Also anybody can open up a fan blog, and those two examples aren't written by authorites on the subject... this makes the information's validity questionable. As for the last link, WP:EL discourages "Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace), chat or discussion forums/groups (such as Yahoo! Groups), USENET newsgroups or e-mail lists." This is because those groups usually act as fan sites, which are not to be linked to unless they contain valuable relevant information that cannot be added in to the article due to copyright reasons. The Yahoo site you listed contains no valuable information about the subject at all that cant be summarized. Themfromspace (talk) 03:20, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

The Yahoo site you listed contains no valuable information about the subject at all that cant be summarized.

That's not true. You totally disregarded what I wrote before: "especially the comprehensive song lists that are not available anywhere else".

I'm restoring that link. I suggest you leave it to editors who are knowledgeable about the subject to judge the uniqueness of the resources on this newsgroup.

Also, the links you deleted have been there in the article for years. Nusrat was an artiste with a huge international fan following, many of whom do not understand the lyrics he sings. Lyrics and translations are a valuable resource, and that's why the links were added in the first place, and have stayed in all these years.

You did not give an honest answer to my first question either. Pasting boilerplates from the guidelines doesn't address the question at all, which was: "why leave in www.pakizm.com/nusrat and masudblog.com/?p=163 when nusratforever and nusrat.info are being deleted?" You're invoking the blog prohibition, yet you left in the masudblog link. And pakizm is no different from the two sites you deleted. Like nusratforever or nusrat.info, it's a personal web page. Sarabseth (talk) 11:13, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Not only is the yahoo group a link to a social-networking site which is a transient page, it can also be seen as advertising and requires one to join the group to access the information which it is described as providing. The last concern alone would make the link invalid. Also, as to the masudblog... I must have missed that when I checked the links originally, thanks for bringing it to my attention! The other link you mentioned before leads to a list of lyrics, which is beneficial to be linked to since wikipedia is not a database of lyrics. Themfromspace (talk) 13:40, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

The nusrat.info also leads to a lot of lyrics, so why doesn't that qualify for inclusion according to you? Did you miss that too when you checked the links originally?

The guideline do not say that links to discussion groups like the yahoo newsgroup are banned. Editors are free to decide on a case-by-case basis when it makes sense to provide such a link. Why don't you stop imposing your views on everybody else, and let people who are knowledgeable about the subject decide whether it makes sense to have it there, given that it is normally to be avoided. (And a yahoo newsgroup is a social-networking site? That's news to me! Also to Wikipedia: List of social networking websites. It's not very nice to just make up facts in order to push your argument.) Sarabseth (talk) 22:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Since there's no response from Themfromspace, I'm going ahead and restoring the yahoo newsgroup link. Sarabseth (talk) 10:39, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you didn't read my comment above, but I explained clearly why the yahoo link fails to meet Wikipedia's standards for external links. Not only is the yahoo group a link to a social-networking site which is a transient page, it can also be seen as advertising and requires one to join the group to access the information which it is described as providing. The last concern alone would make the link invalid... I don't believe this needs to be discussed any further since its a clear-cut case. Themfromspace (talk) 17:17, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

That's really rich when you go "Perhaps you didn't read my comment above". It's you who's not reading comments above, and being thoroughly dishonest in continuing to ignore my comment from 22:54, 29 September 2008, which among other things points out that according to wikipedia itself, yahoo newsgroups are not social-networking sites.

Just because you say something, that does not make it true.

In any case, I challenge you to actually respond to what I said in the 22:54, 29 September 2008 comment, instead of loftily declaring the discussion over. Sarabseth (talk) 02:59, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Use surname

In biographical articles, when the subject is referred to by one name, it should be the surname (family name, last name), not the given name (first name). All the "Nusrat"s in this article not accompanied by "Fateh Ali Khan" should be converted to "Khan" or "Ali Khan", or whatever would be appropriate. - dcljr (talk) 22:47, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't think the surname rule (or an arbitrary expansion thereof) makes equal sense in all cultural contexts.

Khan is such a common name in Pakistan that it is simply not normal to call someone Mr. Khan; it's too unspecific. Nor would it be normal to refer to someone with the name Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan as Mr. Ali Khan.

Perhaps all the editors who have worked on this article over time have stuck with Nusrat for this reason? --Sarabseth (talk) 11:30, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

So, in Pakistani newspapers, do they refer to him by the name "Nusrat"? And in music stores, do they alphabetize his CDs under the name "Nusrat"? - dcljr (talk) 22:37, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

When Nusrat's family migrated from Afghanistan

It's not true that "Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's grandparents migrated from Afghanistan to Jhalandar, India".

From his biography (A Living Legend):

The ancestors of Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan came to India from Afghanistan during the last year of the 12th century A.D.

Not sure about the veracity of the second statement either ("After the partition of India and Pakistan in 1947, his family fled to Pakistan"). --Sarabseth (talk) 12:30, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Khayal and Dhrupad training

There is no evidence I am aware of that Nusrat was formally trained in khayal by anyone belonging to the Qawwal Bachchon Ka Gharana. Removed this statement. Please do not reinstate without a citation.

In the youtube link that was added earlier today by 122.168.62.126, Nusrat does not say he taught himself Dhrupad by listening to Dagar Brothers' recordings. He only says he has heard their recordings, and admires their style. --Sarabseth (talk) 14:40, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

untitled comment

• Success in west needs to be a little bit adjusted. While following the Temptations of Christ link, see the details on following wiki link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Temptation_of_Christ_(film)#Soundtrack_and_music There is no mention of Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan. How and when can it be corrected on either page? --88.193.218.8 (talk) 19:22, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Nusrat is mentioned in this wikipedia article about the soundtrack album:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passion:_Music_for_The_Last_Temptation_of_Christ --Sarabseth (talk) 16:38, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Instruments

The infobox credits him with playing tablas and harmonium. Is this correct? The article doesn't otherwise mention his playing harmonium, and only specifies that he played tabla during his youth. I have never seen him credited with anything other than vocals. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 04:28, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

He plays the harmonium in several live videos, usually when singing ghazals rather than qawwali. --Sarabseth (talk) 05:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Name of Nusrat in Punjabi is compulsary as per wiki lines

1.Nusrat was born in Pakistani Punjab,where Punjabi is written in Shahmukhi script.2.Nusrat devoted his life for Punjabi sufi music and Punjabi songs,than why Nusrat s name should not be written Shahmukhi Punjabi?.3.Punjabi is punjabi! name in Gurumukhi script is secondary matter,of course it should be added along with shahmukhi.4.User Sarabseth should encourage name written in Shahmukhai rather than deletion becouse Nusrat and Shahmukhi script can not be parted.5.plz any one write in Gurumukhi also.Shemaroo (talk) 16:01, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps you should have explained your original edit a little better. It really wasn't clear that you meant the name that followed should be regarded as both Punjabi and Urdu. From your edit summary ("adding punjabi as he is punjabi,sung in punjabi,he is from punjab"), it sounded like you had added the word "Punjabi" to denote that Nusrat was a Punjabi. --Sarabseth (talk) 03:06, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Titles Given To Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan

Nusrat by a large community of people is still referred to as "Voice from Heaven", ihave also heard of many other popular titles given to him like “Singing Bouddha”,“Pavarotti of the Orient", “Quintessence of human singing”,"A man called Qawalli", "Shahenshah-e-Qawwali" etc..... These titles were also mentioned extensively in biographies like

       *Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan:A Living Legend
       *Nusrat FATEH ALI KHAN,the Messenger of Qawwali byPierre-AlainBAUD

These titles are popular in community and are more than just some critics praise........ Please include these titles in wiki with some good references..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.211.83.10 (talk) 19:56, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

including them is fine, but you will need to add references (links). Thanks. Snoop God (talk) 20:40, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

It is my understanding that some of these phrases are not titles in any meaningful sense, just phrases used to describe him in newspaper reports or magazine articles when he was performing in a given country.

I really don't think "titles" like “Singing Buddha”, “Pavarotti of the Orient", “Quintessence of human singing”, "A man called Qawalli" are popular in the community in any meaningful sense.

"Shahenshah-e-Qawwali", on the other hand, was frequently used to introduce him at concerts, and is widely referenced in online biographical sketches (the vast majority of which offer the same mis-translation of the phrase) but I have never seen any account which describes when he was actually given this title or by whom. (Does that matter?) --Sarabseth (talk) 12:01, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for this intellect.But what about "voice from heaven"?......generally titles are not give as an official reward.Most of the titles just start as some critics appalause,newspaper title etc... and later adapted by people..."Shahenshah-e-Qawwali" was a promotional statement in beginning but became a tagline for his name...as far as “Singing Buddha” is concerned ..it was first a newspaper title which became very popular in japan during 1987-93 period....(Anyhow you are right ... it doesn't matter for fans .. but it may matter a lot for coming generations who are yet to explore his legacy.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AvnishIT (talk • contribs) 19:23, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I deleted the following today, for the reasons explained below:

In the beginning of his international carrier he was being referred as shahen-shah-e-qawwali ("qawwali's brightest-shining star") by his promoters which became very famous later. As his popularity grew in the west he was given names like "Bob Marley of Pakistan" and "Elvis of the East" by foreign audiences.

1) The last 2 references are not authoritative/valid references (in fact, the last one is from a blog where anyone can post anything). There is no evidence that "Bob Marley of Pakistan" and "Elvis of the East" are anything other than scattered phrases used in newspaper reports. There is nothing to suggest that they had wide currency or are honorary titles in any meaningful sense.

2) The National Geographic article says "Popularly known as the shahen-shah-e-qawwali ("qawwali's brightest-shining star")". That translation is totally incorrect, since shahenshah means emperor and not brightest-shining star.

3) The article used to contain this sentence in the opening paragraph: "Among other honorary titles bestowed upon him, Nusrat was called Shahenshah-e-Qawwali, meaning The Emperor of Qawwali." It was removed for being unsourced. I think I can track down an authoritative reference which contains the correct translation. Once I do, I propose to restore this sentence to the opening paragraph.--Sarabseth (talk) 17:13, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Found the correct translation in The Hindu newspaper archives. http://www.hindu.com/fline/fl1418/14181230.htm . Can it be used? Also "Voice from heaven" should be added.Even till date you can see on amazon.com ,foreign customers refer this title.And in "Not in our name" concert during introdutions he is referred with the same name.The footage is also included in the documentory "A Voice from Heaven" (1999). Directed by Giuseppe Asaro. New York, NY: Winstar TV & Video. AvnishIT (talk) 21:13, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

I've restored shahenshah-e-qawwali to the introduction, with the reference I was looking for. I think that one is better than the article from The Hindu. One, it's written by a respected music writer (who went on to write a biography of Nusrat). Two, it contains both the original phrase and it's translation; the article from The Hindu doesn't really contain the original phrase.

Can you explain what you mean by "Even till date you can see on amazon.com ,foreign customers refer this title"?

Just because the phrase "A voice from heaven" was used to introduce him at one concert and then adopted as the title of a documentary featuring that clip does not make it a widely prevalent title. I think additional evidence of wide use is necessary before adding this to the article as one of his popular titles. Also, the documentary itself is already listed in the article.--Sarabseth (talk) 13:19, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

I meant that i have seen many foreign customers who buy nusrat's albums on amazon.com and other vendors make use of this title "Voice From Heaven" in customer rewiews.Some also argue against calling him voice from heaven in such reviews.Even on page of Brooklyn Qawwal Party this title is used in introduction. The Biography titled " The messenger of qawwali" also says that americans called hime "Voice Of Paradice".During Nusrat's performances in America many newspapers claimed that people refer to him as a voice from heaven... I will try to find it in newspaper archives.I believe that the title was famous long before the documentary was shot. AvnishIT (talk) 07:09, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

World Music

Won't it be correct to call Nusrat , a World Music Artist? To the best of my knowledge , he was one of the artists who actually opened the doors of world music , and certainly the most polular of his time.AvnishIT (talk) 20:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

There is no such thing as world music. elpincha (talk) 02:32, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Material added to Intro on March 2, 2011

Unfortunately, both sources cited as references are questionable. They both contain statements that are not true.

For example, The Seattle Times article says:

Born in Pakistan, he became a global phenomenon, recognized in 1995 by UNESCO as "The World's Greatest Musician."

Actually, as the article says, in 1995 he was only awarded the annual UNESCO Music Prize, which is a very different matter.

The article from Frontline says:

His music has been known to send spectators into trances and enthuse them into tireless fits of dancing, regardless of ushers' attempts to steer them back to their seats. Some would leap out of their seats, dance down the aisle and shower money, watches, jewellery on Nusrat.

Nusrat was once asked what he did with the money thus collected; he said he gave it to charity or to singers who once performed with his father.

This is not true. As described in his biography, A Living Legend (cited in the article), the money was divided equally among members of his qawwali party, each member getting an equal share.

Other statements in these articles may also be exaggerated or inaccurate, so it's best not to rely on them. I'm cleaning up the new addition, removing these citations, removing obvious inaccuracies, and adding a "Citation Needed" flag for what remains.--Sarabseth (talk) 12:49, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Citations

I have redid the citation given by 117.211.83.10 . Lok Virsa ,National Institute of Folk and Traditional Heritage, Islamabad, Pakistan, is an official and respected cultural centre .In documentory Nusrat himself tells about how he became Ustad and hence it looks a perfectly valid source.If any discrepancy is there , please undo but also try to give an alternate citation.AvnishIT (talk) 13:47, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

What is required is a proper citation for this video, in a format similar to that used for books. In other words, title of the video, label on which released, year of release.--Sarabseth (talk) 11:42, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for guidance. I have added the citation with proper details.Hope it works.AvnishIT (talk) 17:56, 27 March 2011 (UTC) The album was originally released in UK with a worng spelling "Qawal" on title.AvnishIT (talk) 08:02, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Aah! Sorry!--Sarabseth (talk) 11:37, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Expansion Needed

I have noticed this article is very concise as compared to other biographical accounts on wikipedia.The biography presented here is very accurate but not adequate and miss-outs many important aspects and events of Nusrat's life.

1.There is no mention of dream story and nusrat being first singer to perform at the shrine of ajmer in 1979 ,I have seen Nusrat repeating this story in each and every interview i read or saw till date.This event held a great value in his life and singing, so i firmly believe that i must be re-included.

2.His first foreign performance was in India at marriage of Randheer Kapoor in 1979 where he was first time noticed and praised by some of most popular music personalities of India.

3.There is not much described about 1980s and article directly jumps to 1992 in Later career section.It was 1980's that contributed to most of his recognition and fame in UK.Many concerts were arranged at renowned centres worldwide including many popular universities. He also started performing at many world music festivals around the globe. His biographies descibes incidents where he was voted as most popular singers at these festivals.It was during this time he was warmly welcomed in Japan and Japanese media called him "singing buddha".

4.There is no account of Nusrat's world tour for Imran Khan's Cancer appeal.He roughly vistited 20-25 countries during this time in early 90's.Nusrat also did many charity concers worldwide , popular ones included one in south Africa for Nelson Mandela Foundation.

5.Nusrat's conrtibution to bollywood is more emphasised than needed.There is not much accout of his conributions in Pakistan.

6.Contoversies , well this part is fully untouched.I recommend a separate section for this.We all know he was widely critisized for westernization of sufi music, then use of his scores of graphically violent scenes which de did approve of, Raj Thakre(Indian Politician) declaring a ban on Nusrat in Maharashtra, and most important , worldwide release of pirated Nusrat's albums, his songs being copied and reproduced with different lyrics, unauthorised releases in canada... article remains very incomplete without these.

7.Composition of Nusrat's party is just a snapshot.A proper list of members with their active years can be maintained after study of Nusrat cassettes and cd's.

8.Article used to contain a section "Nusrat's style of singing", this must be reincluded with correct references.He was first Qawwal to use eminently use sargams in a qawwali.His improvisations were unique each time , one very important factor was he never sang a song in same style twice,this feature is very difficut of find in other qawwals.Technically speaking,he synchronised sargam in tabla and harmonium ...this para can go very long.

9.Later carrer can be fused with previously deleted section "popularity in west"

10.There is no mention of releases endless collection of posthumous releases , i have not seen such a collection even for elvis or bob marley.

11.well making a discography dont look possible but there can be section mentioning his most popular works and albums.

12.No aditional photos are present... also i am thinking of adding a audio link(is it possible legally?)

There are many other aspects which i have missed out.Article is still classified as sarat class by wiki.. so its better to complete it.Fellow authors are requested to comment ....... AvnishIT (talk) 18:27, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Pic Added, Needed

Today I attached a pic of Nusrat Performing at New York Radio City Hall from Hindu Image Archive.. More Free Pictures or redistributable audio/video content of NFAK should be encouraged.AvnishIT (talk) 08:26, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

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