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No WP:RS for Neumann as founder

As of 23 August 2010, no 3rd-party reliable sources have been located to support Michael 'Mic' Neumann as a founder. WP:Biographies of living persons stringently requires RS for claims about living persons. --Lexein (talk) 03:10, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

As of September 23, 2011, the above is still true. --Lexein (talk) 07:14, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

As of August 2012, still none. --Lexein (talk) 20:30, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Attention, Michael Neumann.

These edits were added today by IP editor 50.14.3.215:

"along with American entrepreneur Michael Neumann <-ref> http://www.isubscribe.co.uk/Nylon-Magazine-Subscription.cfm Nylon Magazine Subscription. International Magazine Subscription Information. Retrieved 2011-09-24</ref><-ref> http://www.fashionmodeldirectory.com/magazines/nylon/ Fashion Model Directory's NYLON Magazine Profile. Retrieved 2011-09-24</ref> (who are both no longer involved). "

Unfortunately, both sources are copy/pastes of old versions of this Wikipedia article, back when Neumann's name was added previously:

• The International Magazine text is from this revision as of 20:22, 9 July 2009 with a minor rearrangement.
• The FashionModelDirectory.com text is from this revision as of 12:49, 23 December 2009.

Currently, there seem to be no mentions of Neumann from that era (1998-2004). Given the long history of Neumann pushing his name into this article, with no reliable sources found for years, the threshold of inclusion is going to be pretty high. We're going to need two magazines or a book from that era (1998 - 2003), or any publication by Nylon, the Jarretts, Christensen or Blackwell to discuss (not just mention) Neumann. --Lexein (talk) 20:18, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Jaclynn Jarrett

If that is you, Ms. Jarrett, we like the magazine. We protect the article from vandalism, and try to keep out unsourced material. However:

• Our manual of style prohibits using ALL CAPS as titles of anything except acronyms and abbreviations like NASA. So we italicize the names of all periodicals. We know, "NYLON" is bolder and more impactful, but it's not encyclopedic presentation of the names-of-things-sans-idiosyncratic-styling.
• As a WP:Conflict of interest editor (read that guideline), please don't add content which is not independently reliably sourced. I have noted unsourced claims with {{citation needed}}. Here's the straight dope: WP:42.
• Please don't use YouTube videos in place of a reliable source, unless it is (say) a video of a press announcement, or a "Welcome to our channel" message by a notable person such as either Jarrett, or, say, Helena Christensen.
• Do not remove cited content, even if it is distasteful to you, about the Hellinger purchase, trial, and conviction. He was covered by two different papers. He was even listed as President in the Nylon masthead from May 2007 to Feb 2010, and if I had more copies of the magazine, I'd show you more. It could go in a separate section called "Hellinger/Pearlman" or something. It only seems jarring, because the article about the magazine isn't that long, and has little story about the magazine's work, process, connections to the community, etc., as described by independent RS such as a documentary or behind-the-scenes.
• Help us: the cover models list is out of control, by the way, and will be pruned if sources are not provided for the unsourced names in bunches or individually. Cover photos are not reliable sources discussing the claimed fact.
• Work with us. Per WP:COI you're quite welcome to delete unsourced material, or outright falsehoods, and to make suggestions here for additions. Here, they're not subject to just being deleted for problems. We discuss. In fact other editors might chime in here before you reply. --Lexein (talk) 08:47, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for sourcing the material you're adding. I wanted to add that videos aren't forbidden, they just have to be used sparingly and carefully. The history section looks good. I imagine you're ticked off that I challenged your earlier edits, and that's the reason you're not discussing anything. --Lexein (talk) 22:26, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Neumann, redux

I've reverted this "Mic" edit as self-promotion, and the fact that we generally never mention regional advertising directors in articles about magazines, even if they were employees present at the founding of the magazine, and that the edit removed another cited statement. Discuss? --Lexein (talk) 16:50, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

What is there to discuss? long-term spammer. --Cameron Scott (talk) 19:06, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Neumann - again

In this edit, Neumann falsely re-added himself as "Development Director" and co-founder, "citing" this Flickr scan of the 1999 premiere issue. *We don't "cite" Flickr. We do cite the L.A. Times, where people are discussed about their contribution to the magazine. He's not. As backup, we cite Internet Archive copies of the actual website as it appeared in (say) 2010, or 2007. In the Flickr scan, Neumann is not masthead top four. We don't list advertising people, or development people, or alcohol and tobacco managers, either. Though he was certainly employed at Nylon in 1999, there's nothing hinting that Neumann was any sort of co-founder, except in the loosest possible sense of the word. Neumann's not listed in the L.A. Times article about the premiere issue, or any other interview with the Jarretts, or any other article about the magazine, ever, anywhere. (Against the masthead order, put himself 4th, ahead of Helena Christensen, who's listed 2nd on the premiere masthead. Weird.) So: abusing WP:COI again, WP:PROMO, WP:PEACOCK, removing RS (the archive.org copy of the 2010 masthead). --Lexein (talk) 01:41, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

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Neumann (yet again)

Another anonymous IP re-added the claim that Neumann was a co-creator, based on a link to that Flickr scan and a fourteen-year-old article which cites a dead link. I've removed the claims, but I expect it's only a matter of time before this nonsense is repeated.

I've also removed the claim on the page for Kung Faux magazine that Neumann was a co-founder of Nylon, which was added by another IP editor a few months later. The fact that both these IP editors are, according to Whois, in East Orange, New Jersey, and that the second one has only really worked on pages closely connected with Mic Neumann, seems pretty DUCK-like behaviour. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 12:51, 14 July 2021 (UTC)