Talk:O'Connell Street/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 12:46, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

• It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria -
• It contains copyright infringements - Aside from some content from the more recent refurbishment, which I am I happy to clean-up, using Earwig the two copyright infringements are from websites that are mirroring the article content here and here. Smirkybec (talk) 13:26, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Sure, I had already done a check, this was more of a reminder for me to check the immediate failures. I didn't see anything that wasn't a MIRROR. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:57, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
• It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). -
• It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. -

Links

• refs look fine Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:09, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Prose

Lede

• O'Connell Street (Irish: Sráid Uí Chonaill) is a street in the centre of Dublin, running north from the River Liffey. - worth being specific saying it is in Duplin, republic of Ireland. Otherwise anyone who doesn't know where Dublin is will have litlle to go on. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:09, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done - in general, while the article is "Republic of Ireland" most articles will just stat "Ireland" in the text, as that it is the official accepted name. Smirkybec (talk) 13:20, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

• Duplin Spire, is it not the Spire of Dublin? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:09, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done Smirkybec (talk) 13:20, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

• Dublin Lockout - our article is at Dublin Lock-out Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:09, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done Smirkybec (talk) 13:20, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

• the Nelson Pillar - Nelson's Pillar]? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:09, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done Smirkybec (talk) 13:20, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

General

• I do think we should have even a small para about where the location is first. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:09, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that sounds like a good idea, and would make it consistent with similar GAs I've written. My only concern is what sources to use. Part of the problem with books such as The Encyclopedia of Dublin is they assume that if you're looking up the history of O'Connell Street, you probably already know where it is, so they don't mention it. I can use Google Maps for junctions, direction, and distance, which most people think is good enough. @Smirkybec:, can you offer any other thoughts? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:06, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

I think Casey might be able to help with that, it also gives some detail on the length, width etc. If it is brief, I should be able to cover it with that and perhaps Constantia Maxwell's Dublin under the George's. I agree with you though, most sources assume familiarity! Smirkybec (talk) 15:22, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

I've dropped a couple of sentences in too. I think the other things I would just like to pop in is whatever the equivalent is for the London Borough of 'x' that I use for street articles there. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:29, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware, while Dublin does have areas similar to boroughs largely named after old villages etc, O'Connell Street wouldn't fall into any other than the "north inner city" on the Northside, Dublin. More recently attempts have been made to identify it more strongly like here. Apart from that, we tend to think of areas by the old post codes, and maybe government constituencies but that would be a stretch. Smirkybec (talk) 19:18, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

I think we've got what Lee was asking for, more or less. Maybe a short description of bus routes could be put in for completeness. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:29, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

• He titled the new development Sackville Street - not sure the need of bold in the prose is warranted. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:09, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:06, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

• Nos. 21–22 - numbers 21 and 22. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:09, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Are you sure about that? I've used the "Nos." format in many street articles. It's possible I've been doing it wrong all this time (stranger things have happened) but I'd just like confirmation if that's the case. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:52, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Sure? No. But from reading it, Nos. is just short for numbers, which feels a little off. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:58, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Okay,  Done - I don't think this is a major issue, or see any harm in just doing it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:29, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

• Trams on Sackville Street - caption could do with a circa. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:09, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:00, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

• Clerys department store, rebuilt in 1922 - worth stating image was taken in 2006.Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:09, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done I think, I can never remember the formatting around picture dates Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:00, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

• Father Theobald Mathew - pipes to a redirect Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:09, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:00, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

• Could we get some alttext? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:09, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:00, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Review meta comments

• I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:46, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Happy to pass. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:50, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Link to website

I have removed the link to a website. I can't see why this would be relevant, it isn't an official website and doesn't seem to even be a notable website or one connected with the street. Financefactz (talk) 16:16, 10 July 2023 (UTC)