Talk:OLA insurgency

1973-2018 conflit

@Boud: the first conflict was only in Oromo Region. The second is in both Oromo Region and Amhara Region. We should also expand Ethiopian civil conflict (2018–present). --Panam2014 (talk) 21:58, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Oromo Region is a redirect to Oromia; I assume the distinction is between the ethnic adjective versus the administrative region. Anyway, I'm not quite sure what you're proposing.

Are you talking about the background section? If so, please go ahead and edit!

Or do you mean that this article should be renamed Oromia–Amhara conflict? My idea is that this article should cover all aspects of Oromia conflicts internally or with neighbouring states that have/are occurring in 2021. This includes OLA territorial control (see the map linked from https://nitter.fdn.fr/MapEthiopia or any other twitter privacy-protecting frontend; I don't know of privacy protection frontends for the google map, though) which looks like it's all over Oromia and very close to Addis Ababa; and also the current TDF/OLA Amhara/Afar military conflict. In that case, we might need Oromia–Amhara–Afar conflict. However, my impression is that most of the current OLA battles are between OLA and the ENDF, and OLA carrying out extrajudicial executions, but apparently having broad popular support, and more importantly for this discussion, this is happening mostly in Oromia, it seems to me.

Regarding expansion of the article Ethiopian civil conflict (2018–present) and similar, I'm trying to do only the minimum where I think it's needed to stop things getting too messy or where important articles don't get started by other people. Unfortunately, the content of the article is likely to need a lot of expansion, unless the federal authorities accept a transitionary process, in which case there would be one or more sub-articles/splits. Boud (talk) 22:31, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Boud: I think Oromia–Amhara–Afar conflict is better, and Oromia–Amhara–Afar conflict is part of Tigray War which could be renamed Ethiopian civil war (2020). We could also rename Ethiopian civil conflict (2018–present) to Ethiopian civil war (2018). --Panam2014 (talk) 22:45, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Taking these in reverse order:

• the usual opposition to "upgrading" the name of a conflict article into a "civil war" prior to wide mainstream media usage of the term "civil war" would likely fail any title change proposals;
• while there are some relations between the Oromia–Amhara–Afar conflict and the Tigray War, I think it would be confusing and misleading to include the Oromia, especially OLA, armed conflict in Tigray War;
• if you really want to rename this article, then I think it would be better to do a formal WP:RM proposal, especially to get opinions from other editors. Boud (talk) 23:06, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Boud: for the first conflict, I think we should end the first article in 2018. For Ethiopian civil conflict (2018–present), we should merge Amhara and Oromia sections. And for the title of the article, we could not consider the article as part of Tigray conflict but renaming it to Oromia–Amhara–Afar conflict or Oromo Liberation Army insurgency. --Panam2014 (talk) 23:52, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Sources for updates?

Unusable sources for updates would be MapEthiopia on the birdsite with its GAFAM map, though these can at least give credibility guides. Addis Standard is a good source that most likely has quite a bit on the last year or so of the OLA insurgency. There are some Oromo community news sites that could be usable with attribution. Boud (talk) 11:18, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Boud 100% support the use of Addis Standard as a source. They're actually the reason I started taking more notice of this conflict. Just as an example of what they've reported recently:

• News: Protests erupt across Oromia after latest violence in East Wollega, OLF calls on Oromos to “defend” themselves - December 6, 2022
• News: Physicians call on international, national health actors to give attention to war affected areas in Oromia, as UN warn hostilities “continue to uproot civilians" - December 7, 2022
• News Analysis: Civilians subjected to “grave violation of human rights” in clashes, attacks by armed groups, gov’t security forces operating in Oromia – EHRC - December 8, 2022
• News: Opposition OFC calls for comprehensive peace solution to Oromia war to avert looming national crisis - December 9, 2022

XTheBedrockX (talk) 15:34, 11 December 2022 (UTC)