Talk:Ohio Department of Job and Family Services
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notability?
editThis page seems to have been created to make a point on an AfD case. Does every state agency have a Wikipedia page, or just notable ones? I'm not sure the Keller "scandal" is enough to establish notability for this organization; has anyone got anything else, or should this be AfDd? csloat (talk) 22:02, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- Comment The article on the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services should have been written long before the present debate over the notability of its director. Please see other Ohio state agencies; Ohio Bureau of Workers' Compensation, Ohio Adjutant General's Department, Ohio Board of Regents, Ohio Lottery, Ohio Department of Natural Resources, and Ohio Department of Transportation are some examples of other Ohio agencies. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 22:07, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- You're not really answering the question -- what makes this notable? Or is your claim that every state agency is by definition notable? csloat (talk) 22:30, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- Some state agencies are notable, and in this case this agency is notable. One example of its notability is the annual budget it has of more than $17 billion. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 22:35, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- You're not really answering the question -- what makes this notable? Or is your claim that every state agency is by definition notable? csloat (talk) 22:30, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
The intro now states, "The Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, (ODJFS), a department that employs 4,000 full-time employees, has an annual budget of more than $17 billion. ODJFS supervises the provision of Medicaid, food stamps, child welfare and child support in Ohio. Also, ODJFS provides services such as unemployment compensation to Ohio's citizens." Please review, this is a clear statement of notability. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 00:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, it's not. It's just a description. I'm not sure the size of the budget makes it more notable than any state agency. Back to the question -- are all state agencies by definition notable? You have said that "some" are -- what's the criteria? csloat (talk) 01:04, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- Reply Aside from the 17 Billion dollar budget, another example of the subject's notability has been the media attention it has recieved over the years. For this, please review the article. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 01:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- There's no need to respond to my question if you don't actually have an answer. Can someone else address this question -- what is the criteria? csloat (talk) 01:34, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- Please review the two article below as examples of substantial media attention. Also, for criteria concerning notability please see Wikipedia:Notability. This should explain to you the standards for notability on wikipedia. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 01:39, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- There's no need to respond to my question if you don't actually have an answer. Can someone else address this question -- what is the criteria? csloat (talk) 01:34, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- Reply Aside from the 17 Billion dollar budget, another example of the subject's notability has been the media attention it has recieved over the years. For this, please review the article. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 01:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, it's not. It's just a description. I'm not sure the size of the budget makes it more notable than any state agency. Back to the question -- are all state agencies by definition notable? You have said that "some" are -- what's the criteria? csloat (talk) 01:04, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- Comment For recent media coverage please review; State seeks federal aid for jobless fund and ODJFS: Extended jobless benefits to begin Dec. 22. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 01:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I think the article should be kept, regardless of the motive for its creation. A large government department is always going to get news coverage and can pass WP:N requirements easily. I myself have started articles to cover redlinks. For instance Religion Newswriters Association. Steve Dufour (talk) 20:52, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- Support I support merging most of the information at 2008 ODJFS database search to Ohio Department of Job and Family Services database search controversy. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 22:25, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
- Support Mattnad (talk) 13:43, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
ODJFS budget = $20 billion versus $4 billion
editIn the first paragraph, "ODJFS employs nearly 2,800 full time employees, has an annual budget of $20-plus billion.[2]",
while in the "Current director" section, we find
"Cynthia Callender Dungey is director of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services (ODJFS), a $3.6 billion agency with approximately 3,000 employees."
So, adding 200 employees cuts the budget by $16 billion and 80%?! That economy of government is inspiring!
What's wrong here? [Also, the reference pages will not load for me.] SalineBrain (talk) 17:36, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
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