Talk:Oil/Archive 1

Archive 1

merging

I put the merge thing on the page, I really think it's nessecary. Black gold is just another name for oil, so why have it as a seperate article? - Linuxx 19:48, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose - black gold is another name for Petroleum, not oil in general. I am not sure inhowfar the meaning coal is also relevant. Black gold (oil) should rather be made a redirect to petroleum. There is no new content on that page anyway. -- Ravn 23:13, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose - Black gold (oil) should redirect to Petroleum, not Oil. The term "black gold" is much closer to petroleum than the various types of oils such as olive oil. --A bit iffy 06:24, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
• Moved - I took off the merge thing on this page and put it on the Petroleum page, I also changed the thing on Black gold (oil) to be mreging it with Petroleum instead of this page, I also put my proposal on the talk page on the talk page of Petroleum Linuxx 17:38, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

"Moving types of oils to oil disambig ..."

I strongly disagree with this move for the following reasons:

• Moving this information consists of a) removing information from this page and b) adding this information to a disambiguation page
• Concerning a): This is the main page dealing with oil as a liquid. I can see no good reason to remove information dealing with various types of oils from this page.
• People who want to read about oil will reach this page first, not the disambiguation page.
• I also oppose b) - A disambiguation page is not intended to be a search index, but to disambiguate conceptually different articles dealing with a similar term. It is not intended to display (or even replace) a list of various subtypes of this term. Please compare WP:D.

I reverted a), but I did not revert b) yet, because I see more room for discussions there. ;) Please comment. -- Ravn 10:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

No problem ... upon further review I tend to agree that the types of oils should be on the oil page, tet without it, the disambig is alost pointless. I'm even thinking that the Oils -> oils (disambig) redirect should be Oils -> oil as well. Still the cause of this was further down the line with confusion in vegtable oils and fuel oils and the data for biodiesel. So, make what changes you feel are needed. -- ∞Dbroadwell 06:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I did not notice there was a redirect from Oils.. I changed that one. -- Ravn 09:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: "the disambig is almost pointless" -- Yes, it's not a big disambig, it just lists some articles that you could have looked for when you really did not mean the liquid. That's also why I would not list all the types of oil there. The disambig is more for the few non-liquid-oily articles out there. -- Ravn 10:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

definition

Oil, in a general sense, is a chemical compound that is not miscible with water, and is in a liquid state at ambient temperatures.

Does this mean that mercury is an oil? --Donar Reiskoffer 07:36, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

IIRC mercury dissolves in water - see also mercury poisoning and google. -- Ravn 09:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Oil does dissove in water abiat slowly, but it does diffuse through water.~random Ch E here.

Oil, as defined here, is essentially a viscous liquid immiscible with water and miscible with other oils. I have two questions about this definition. First of all, is being a viscous liquid the property that makes an oil feel oily? Maple syrup, after all, is a viscous liquid, but it is not oily. An oil is not even that viscous. Also, we cannot define a word with the word, as in saying that an OIL is miscible with other OILS. I think that an oil is a substance that is immiscible with water and feels "oily". Because it is immiscible with water, water cannot be used to wash oil off our hands. Majopius (talk) 01:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Questions like this are best asked at the reference desk. If you get some good refs, please bring them here to improve the article. NJGW (talk) 15:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Siccative Oil

Is the term "siccative oil" synonymous with "drying oil"? (please see wp article) The latter term refers to oils wideley used in the paint industry. Typically, the list of natural "drying oils" is limited to linseed, poppyseed, safflower, tung, and walnut. There are no doubt others, but the sentence in the article makes it appear more universal: The triglycerides in cooking oil tend to contain unsaturated fatty acid chains (siccative oil) ...

Or if the information is essentially correct, please expand and clarify. It would be interesting to know if all unsaturated fatty acid chains are in fact drying oils of one sort or another.

Hoopiefromwayback 00:55, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Other health uses

What about a sentence on health uses - aromatherapy, skincare etc?89.240.7.61 12:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Sentence removed from "etymology" section

I just cut a sentence from the etymology subsection: "Oil is a main factor for many Southeast Asian countries." Its meaning was too vague to be instructive, and in any case it wasn't a matter of etymology. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.171.182.14 (talk) 15:58, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Include the term fossil oil

When referring to mineral oil, and it's ancient organic origin, I think it should be appropriate to refer to it as fossil oil similar to how we refer to fossil fuel. Maybe fossil oil is not the official term used in litarature, but referring to it by it's fossil origin could be appropriate. --Jdesmet (talk) 19:27, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

A question about oil

What exactly is tar oil? Is it oil extracted from tar pits? Is there any mention of it in this article, perhaps under a different name? Or is there a separate article for it? Thanks for any help. Parsecboy (talk) 23:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

You are either talking about tar sands or oil made by distilling tar (such as birch tar oil)[1]. NJGW (talk) 04:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I not sure if it's either one. The context of the term was that a German warship in the early 20th century (originally coal-fired) was converted to use tar oil in the ship's boilers. I don't know if that helps. Thanks for your reply, though. Parsecboy (talk) 12:59, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Probably the second one I mentioned then. Probably a wood tar oil. NJGW (talk) 16:23, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I've been doing some more poking around, and Coal tar appears to what I'm looking for, a kind of oil that is sometimes used to fire boilers. Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction. Parsecboy (talk) 17:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

"The End of Oil"

Do you think this book The End of Oil is relevant & should be added? Stars4change (talk) 21:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

• Have you read it? RP459 (talk) 23:20, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

This is discussed at length at petroleum, peak oil, and oil depletion. NJGW (talk) 23:37, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Good. Then those should definitely be added in links here too. They're all connected & important. Stars4change (talk) 06:22, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

oil paint

i cant edit my self, as i dont have account and this page seems to be locked. the section on painting with oils ought to link to the Oil_paint article. --87.127.117.246 (talk) 18:36, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

It already is. NJGW (talk) 18:45, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Oil/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Rated "top" as highschool/SAT biology content and substance of general interest. - tameeria 20:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 20:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 15:29, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

The Picture

Shouldn't there be another picture, or a picture with the label censored? What I'm trying to say here is that no company should be given the label of being THE oil. Maybe there should be a picture with just the oil in the glass, and no can? where is the picture hu hu hu hu post it -- Eirikizer

How about a picture that represents the three or four most different types of oil, in generic containers? Crude oil, cooking oil, refined mineral oil, for example, in small jars, and maybe each as a smear on glass to show its viscosity. 76.20.198.161 (talk) 09:28, 14 August 2011 (UTC)Maryann

How is it formed?

How is it formed, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Axons1020 (talk • contribs) 06:15, 14 September 2012 (UTC) by slim bottem square pant syea and mac donalds

What is the solvent of oil?

What is the solvent of oil? the solvent of oil is the element which will decompose the oil particles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.200.49.147 (talk) 08:49, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Article expansion

The article needs extensive expansion:

About the Oil as a source of energy

• The end of oil: on the edge of a perilous new world--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 12:59, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
• The age of oil--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 12:59, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Uses

(by Industry, as opposed to Applications by affordances of the medium)

Food

• Dietary supplement (fish oil, vitamin E, laxative).
• Primary component in salad dressings, sauces, marinades
• Frying, sautéing cooking method.
• Baking, especially as a dough conditioner for quick breads and cakes.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.198.161 (talk) 10:22, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Horticulture

Horticultural Oils or Narrow Range Oils are lightweight oils, either petroleum or vegetable based. They are used in both horticulture and agriculture, where they are applied as a dilute spray on plant surfaces to control insects and mites. They are also sometimes included in tank mixes as a surfactant. The oils provide control by smothering the target pests, and are only effective if applied directly to the pest, and provide no residual controls.

Pharmaceutical

• Emollient (baby oil, hair conditioner, lip balm)
• Base for Cosmetics and Cosmetic remover
• Perfume — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.198.161 (talk) 10:42, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
• Lubricant (petroleum jelly)
• Base for salves (e.g., antibacterial like Neosporin)

76.20.198.161 (talk) 09:56, 14 August 2011 (UTC)Maryann nothing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.74.77.79 (talk) 01:27, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

some good links/material to fold in

• Oil shale
• Environmental_impact_of_the_oil_shale_industry (kinda, looking for an environmental impact of oil-like article)
• fossil fuel

Please add away. JoeSmack ^Talk 16:45, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Extraction

Especially for non-essential oils (e.g. mineral/organic oils), there needs to be a section on extraction, but im not too sure of where it should be put in the layout. There are just a ridiculous amount of oil-related articles, jesus, but here are some important ones to consider in this matter: oil shale, oil sands, oil field, oil well, oil shale reserves unconventional oil, oil tanker, oil refinery, *takes a deep breath and continues*, oil megaprojects, oil depletion, and, are you ready for this one, thermal depolymerization! Phew! I ain't gonna lie people, this article needs some work. JoeSmack ^Talk 18:53, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

alternative fuel oils

Don't forget vegetable oil used as fuel, vegetable oil refining and biodiesel in the fuel section. JoeSmack ^Talk 18:58, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Hair

What does it mean for hair to be stabilised?

it also hepls you when you need to wash your becuase it cleans it very very very well

89.243.166.179 (talk) 13:44, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Is this the most common or culturally important use of oil? Does most of the world recognize this use of oil? It's toward the beginning of the article, which implies it is more important or common use than subsequent uses of oil. It would have been one of the last uses that I would have thought. 76.20.198.161 (talk) 09:33, 14 August 2011 (UTC)Maryann

"Organic origin of all oils" is questionable; witness: synthetic oils.

"All oils can be traced back to organic sources." ...Except those that can't? E.g. synthetic oils; for example silicone oil <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicone_oil> What point was the original writer trying to make that I may have missed? Jornadigan (talk) 02:32, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 January 2012

obvious error needs correcting. "The total production of a barrel of crude into various products results in an increase to 45 barrels [9]" It should read 45 _gallons_ not barrels. A barrel is 42 USgallons. Expansion to 45 gallons is reasonable, but 45 barrels is not. The reference [9] says 45 gallons.

Paleotechman (talk) 17:56, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Done The 45-gallon figure is supported by reference 8, not ref 9. I've made the change and adjusted the citations accordingly. Rivertorch (talk) 19:11, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Definition

The definition of oil at the top of this page doesn't really explain what kinds of chemicals are oils. It just says that any substance that is liquid at ambient temperature and does not mix with water is an oil, but surely that is much too broad--if taken as written, that means that mercury is an oil. I was under the impression that all oils are organic compounds. Unless I'm wrong, then as a bare minimum that should be part of the definition. 71.207.23.238 (talk) 03:08, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

I would like to add something like "Oils are typically formed of molecules containing a large proportion of carbon and hydrogen" and give an examples of a random vegetable oil molecule and a random mineral oil molecule. Siuenti (talk) 21:34, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2014

113.20.81.3 (talk) 05:16, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 05:32, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Category sort

Need to use a space as the category sort and as per convention the Commons template shpuld not be inline. 203.109.161.2 (talk) 03:43, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Partly done: - I have added the category sort key. I did not change the Commons template because I'm not aware of any convention regarding its use, and adding the Commons box below the Wiktionary box is awkward. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:08, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

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Edit request: change "slippery" link in paragraph 1

The link in par. 1 "slippery" incorrectly links to slip for vehicle dynamics, which is not relevant. If there should be a link at all, I recommend the lubricant article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubricant as this directly discusses the "slippery" nature of oil and its applications. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:0:2820:B05:D40:798C:75E7:3872 (talk) 15:43, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

would be nice photo illustrations too — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bankbox (talk • contribs) 04:11, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Geography

Should be added geography — Preceding unsigned comment added by Regenteditor (talk • contribs) 18:02, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

"Neutral"

In the first sentence, the word "neutral" is used to describe oils. What does this mean? Does it have any scientific meaning?

If not, we should take it out. -- The Anome (talk) 15:47, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

I've now removed it. -- The Anome (talk) 17:16, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2022

The first person to create an oil well is Edward Drake 50.230.204.10 (talk) 21:41, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Doesn't fit here, already mentioned on Petroleum Cannolis (talk) 21:48, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Emotional oil

The "water fearing" and "fat loving" language is a bit nonsensical. Oil doesn't "fear" nor "love". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.119.15.14 (talk) 15:15, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Taste of oil and food uses

Taste of oil is great and is used to cook most foods today. It gives a medium to cook food, as when food is heated in oil, even if we stop the gas supply the oil would remain hot and continue to cook the food. 103.87.58.156 (talk) 10:02, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Endangered species Sofie

She is a wild but the worlds cutest fluff ball to ever walk this majestic earth 136.49.208.250 (talk) 02:46, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

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