Talk:Old Newcastle School
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Newcastle School (former)
editWhich heritage lists name this building Newcastle School (former)? The Municipal Inventory and Heritage List does not appear to use that term, and I can't find it on the state heritage list. Mitch Ames (talk) 03:25, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
- State Heritage[1] calls it Newcastle State School (fmr), and Municipal Inventory and Heritage List[2] refers to it as Newcastle School and former Newcastle School.
- I was going to change the note to the more general:
Heritage lists use the term former (abbreviated fmr)[1][2] - the usage here is more in line with more colloquial usage.
- ^ a b "Newcastle State School (fmr)". Heritage Council, State Heritage Office. Retrieved 2 February 2014.
- ^ a b Hocking Planning & Architecture (2012), Municipal Inventory and Heritage List (PDF), Shire of Toodyay, retrieved 31 January 2014
- but then I realised that the annotated text is "The former Newcastle School". So does the "colloquial usage" in the note refer to "former Newcastle School" vs "Newcastle School (former)" or does it refer to "former" vs "old" (the article title)? Mitch Ames (talk) 01:37, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Duke Street, or Duke Street North
editIs this building at 6 Duke Street 31°33′11″S 116°28′09″E / 31.5529922°S 116.469039°E, or 6 Duke Street North 31°33′04″S 116°28′04″E / 31.550994°S 116.467805°E? I suspect the latter.
Similarly I suspect that this error may occur in other articles. (I've fixed one already.) Mitch Ames (talk) 07:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
First P&C
editThe article currently says that the school may have formed the first P&C in WA. The three references I have found say:
The first association to be formed may have been at Toodyay in 1916 or 1917. The August 1919 Education Circular mentions one at the Buckland Hill State School (Mosman Park) ...
... [Roderick Brooke Cowden, headmaster, 1909-1917] called a meeting of parents and prominent citizens of Toodyay, ... then was formed the first parents and citizens association in W.A.
In November 1920 the Toodyay State School in Duke Street was officially opened as the first consolidated school in Western Australia ... The following year saw the formation of the very first Toodyay Parents and Teachers Association which was formed on the 10th of August 1921 ... now called the Parents and Citizens Association
Does anyone know of any other reliable references on the subject, that might allow us to determine more certainly whether Toodyay's was the first P&C in WA? Mitch Ames (talk) 10:02, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
- This article says Cowden "enlisted the co-operation of the parents" at Toodyay, but then "When he was promoted to the State school at Buckland Hill Mr. Cowden started to work on the same lines, and, as a result, the Buckland Hill Parents and Teachers League was formed,"
- This to me suggests that he did not start the P&C at Toodyay.
- Given that the only definite reference we have for his starting the first P&C at Toodyay is a letter to the editor from his wife, written over 30 years after the fact, I've deleted the sentence from our article. Mitch Ames (talk) 04:02, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Name of the building and article
editAs per the note in the article, the references include a variety of names but not "the old Newcastle School". Do we have a reference for this "colloquial usage"? Mitch Ames (talk) 11:41, 7 April 2014 (UTC)