Talk:Olney, Buckinghamshire

the L in Olney

(Copied from User talk:Richard New Forest)

Why do you think that the L in Olney is not enunciated? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 13:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Careful instruction throughout my childhood... Not being local to there myself, I had understood that everyone said it that way, but see [1], which makes it clear that the L is now often pronounced. My family were originally from there, but several generations ago, so they obviously use the old pronunciation. As it seems it is said both ways, both versions ought to be given. I've changed the page. --Richard New Forest (talk) 14:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Those that do not pronounce the L are adamant that this is the correct pronunciation, on the other hand, those that pronounce the L think that without the L is sounds silly. I think it sounds silly either way and adjust my pronunciation depending on who I am talking to :) -- Borb (talk) 17:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Gay pancake race

See WP:notable. Not every local giggle deserves listing. Try again when it has run 5 years in a row, attracts at least 100 people and is reported in a credible national newspaper. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 13:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Name of this article

Olney is in Milton Keynes (borough) which legally is a separate county. It is no longer in administrative county described in the Buckinghamshire article though, as stated in the article, it is the ceremonial county. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:15, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

The Borough of Milton Keynes is not a county. It is a unitary authority which looks after the day to day running of the town. Olney is still in Buckinghamshire (ceremonially) and so I feel it would be better to call it Olney, Buckinghamshire. Mpvide65 (talk) 19:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Look at the Act that established the Borough as a Unitary Authority. It states quite clearly that in law it is a county. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, Olney, Milton Keynes is confusing as it leads readers to assume that Olney is part of Milton Keynes the town, like Bletchley. Olney, as I have said above, is still in Buckinghamshire, and so should have Bucks in it's title. There is enough info on the actual page to tell them that it is governed by Milton Keynes (borough). Mpvide65 (talk) 19:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Your change leads them to infer completely incorrectly that it is in Buckinghamshire, which is not the case and plain wrong. Readers only have to read the first few sentences to see that it is some distance from Milton Keynes. (In my view, the Bletchley article ought to be Bletchley (Milton Keynes) but that is a different debate). --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

You seem to think that a unitary authority is it's own county. This is wrong, as all unitary authorities have a ceremonial county e.g Swindon=Wiltshire, Slough=Berkshire, Medway=Kent etc. So Olney is in ceremonial Buckinghamshire, which means it can have Bucks in its title. Mpvide65 (talk) 20:13, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

In law, each UA is a county. The ceremonial county is just that - ceremonial. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:31, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

This discussion has transferred to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography#Olney, Milton Keynes; Caversham, Reading; Wanborough, Swindon.

(Written before above transfer):

A unitary authority does cover all the formal political and administrative activities of a county. However, a town does not exist solely in a political and administrative world. It also has a history, a social position, an economy, a geographical location and many other aspects. The very recent chopping up of traditional counties does not change all of those. "Milton Keynes" makes Olney sound like a suburb of a town which did not exist for almost all of Olney's history. To me, Olney is "really" in Buckinghamshire, in the same way that Southampton and Portsmouth are in Hampshire, Bournemouth in Dorset, Kingston in Surrey and Bromley, Dartford and Chatham in Kent – to pretend otherwise is to deny hundreds of years of history, and geographical and sociological reality. Olney may currently happen to be administered from Milton Keynes, but for many important purposes it is in Buckinghamshire. As importantly, I suspect that many of those unfamiliar with Milton Keynes are pretty vague about where that is (I didn't know, and I've been there...), but they will be much more aware of where the traditional county of Buckinghamshire is. Richard New Forest (talk) 20:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Response at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography#Olney, Milton Keynes; Caversham, Reading; Wanborough, Swindon. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 21:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Discussion has been settled. Result: use ceremonial counties for disambiguation of places, and in a geographic frame of reference, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography#Olney, Milton Keynes; Caversham, Reading; Wanborough, Swindon. Mpvide65 (talk) 22:11, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Two of the examples in JMF's last comment are wrong: Kingston upon Thames and Bromley are actually both in London. Jim Michael (talk) 12:40, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

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