Talk:Omer Bartov
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Bartov has challenged
edit- When?
- The titles should be accompanied by years of publishing.Xx236 (talk) 07:28, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
This page was unjustly locked due to an anti-Israel bias
editI added a section to Omer Bartov’s political views outlining his stance on the Israel-Gaza War and how he has come under fire from respected academics for accusing Israel of genocide without evidence and without sound usage of the term. Wiki editors deleted it and then locked his page. This is supposed to be an uncensored reference site devoid of political biases. Apparently it is not. 2600:1700:FFB:8B60:A86B:92A:5BA2:276 (talk) 01:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, the page was locked and our additions were removed because of the political biases of the Wikipedia editors. It is common for Wikipedia articles on public figures to include a "criticism" section, with various disagreements their peers have had of their work. This provides more dimensions to the information so Wikipedia readers can have greater knowledge about that individual. We simply stated what those criticisms of Omer Bartov are, specified the names of the scholars who have made the critiques, and properly footnoted those criticisms with reliable sources. Everything we said was true. Those people did, in fact, criticize Bartov in the manner we articulated and in the sourced we footnoted. I see no other explanation for the removal and locking of the page than political bias on the part of the Wikipedia editors. They don't want public readers to be aware that not every scholar of Jewish Studies agrees with Bartov's claims about the Israel/Gaza conflict. 24.101.0.5 (talk) 16:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Lede
edit@AlsoWukai: Lede serves as a summary of the body, this was not duplicated material, so why did you remove it? Makeandtoss (talk) 13:18, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Too much detail for lede. AlsoWukai (talk) 20:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- @AlsoWukai: As we now agree it was not duplicate material, I disagree regarding it being too much detail and cite Noam Chomsky's WP article which elaborates on his entire political views. I don't think this biography is any different. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- This article is vastly shorter, so there is no need to "elaborate on his entire political views" when they are given only a couple of paragraphs later, in the "Career" and "Political views" section. To do so is indeed to duplicate material. AlsoWukai (talk) 19:38, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- @AlsoWukai: His positions on Israeli apartheid and Israeli perpetrated genocide is not his entire political views, but the ones he has gained a lot of coverage for, and should be mentioned in lede which is a summary of body per MOS:LEDE. Makeandtoss (talk) 16:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- This article is vastly shorter, so there is no need to "elaborate on his entire political views" when they are given only a couple of paragraphs later, in the "Career" and "Political views" section. To do so is indeed to duplicate material. AlsoWukai (talk) 19:38, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- @AlsoWukai: As we now agree it was not duplicate material, I disagree regarding it being too much detail and cite Noam Chomsky's WP article which elaborates on his entire political views. I don't think this biography is any different. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
As a professional Holocaust historian I object to this page being locked
editWhy does this page remain locked? Bartov’s views on Israel’s so-called genocide have been challenged by several prominent Holocaust historians, yet there is no section noting this criticism. It mistakenly promotes the view that Israel’s conducting genocide is accepted fact, when it’s an opinion of a handful of scholars. The history shows that several attempts were made to add a well-sourced and substantive paragraph on the subject. Why was it removed? Wikipedia has been accused by some of having an anti-Israel bias. I don’t know whether that’s true or not, but this resource should aspire to being politically neutral, regardless of the subject. And Holocaust historians, including Bartov, would agree about this principle. 24.225.242.65 (talk) 01:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
"Political views" section? Wrong. Views on 2023-24 war, only.
editWhat did he think and write before 7 Oct 2023? Silence, nada. What does he think about the existence of Israel? Not a word. Did he write about peace options? Don't look for that here.