Talk:Omori (video game)/Archive 1

Archive 1

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User:DocFreeman24, here is a new one just started. 8.37.179.254 (talk) 20:14, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Done! DocFreeman24 (talk) 00:21, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

OMOCAT: Indie studio, pseudonymous artist?

I'm unsure what the Manual of Style says about this, so I'll bounce it here - the article's lead section calls OMOCAT an indie studio, which is technically true as Steam lists the developer as "OMOCAT, LLC." However, the article makes a shift to refer to OMOCAT as a single person (which I am aware is the truth.) Trying to read this from the perspective of someone out of the loop, I found myself stumbling a bit here, but I'm unsure how I'd correct it to make it easily understandable, or have a distinction, without it sticking out like a sore thumb in the article itself. Should clarification be given, and if so, how? --Velvetune! t • c 03:23, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

@Mir Novov: Pinging you in light of your recent contributions and you seem more experienced than I. Thank you, by the way, they're spectacular – wonder how close we are to a B-grade... --Velvetune! t • c 14:49, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

No problem! What I would do - provided there's appropriate sourcing - is add a note to the article explaining the situation, similar to the one that I added to OneShot re Niko's gender. If I can find sources, I'll do it shortly. And regarding the grade, the general impression I get is that the article re-grading process is backlogged and understaffed (like many things in Wikipedia), so I wouldn't get my hopes up... - Novov T C 00:35, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

I happen to have this article on my watchlist, because I approved it back when I did NPP, and I also happen to rating-assess a lot of articles. I'd definitely say this is B-class, and I don't think it's far from being able to pass GAN. Vaticidalprophet 08:15, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll definitely look at possibly GANning it in the future. - Novov T C 10:32, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Lazman321 (talk · contribs) 20:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

I will review this one. Lazman321 (talk) 20:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

1 - Well written

1a - Clear and concise prose

The article reads pretty clearly. This criterion does ✓ Pass. Lazman321 (talk) 16:16, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

1b - Adherence to the Manual of Style

All the required Manual of Style criteria for a Good Article have been met. The lead summarizes the key aspects, the layout is standard for video games, there aren't really any words to watch out for, all fictional elements are clearly marked as such, and there are no lists. With this analysis in mind, this one does ✓ Pass. Lazman321 (talk) 16:18, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

2 - Verifiable with no original research

2a - List of references

All the references are identifiable and are listed appropriately. The article does ✓ Pass this criterion. Lazman321 (talk) 16:21, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

2b - Reliable sources

As per WP:VG/S, TheSixthAxis and DarkStation are both unreliable sources and have to be replaced, especially in the reception section. This is because they are both independent blogs with no editorial oversight and no reputation of being credible sources. I am uncertain about the Destructoid source by Patrick Hancock as he is not a staff member. I am also a little bit uncertain about Noisy Pixel, Fextra Life, and HyperHype as I don't recognize them at all and are independent, but they do have editorial policies. I will let these sources slide for now, though I'd personally bring them up at WT:VG/S. Also, note that I did find a better source to replace the Fextra Life source. This news post by Gematsu is a better source as the founder and editor-in-chief of the website and the author of the article is Sal Romano, who wrote for GameZone and VG247, both of which are considered reliable; not to mention Gematsu has been cited by reliable publications. Lazman321 (talk) 16:59, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I've removed both of those sources and replaced them where appropriate. As for the three unincluded sources, I've excised those as well, as none of them look that reliable and they've not really that important (one of them misspells a word in the title, which is not a hallmark of strong editorial direction). I may get around to putting them up at WT:VG/S, but it's not a huge priority, as random video game websites are dime a dozen.

Personally, I think that the Destructoid source is fine; it's included in the reviews section alongside other editorially vetted content. If I'm not mistaken, WP:VG/S indicates that the "community blogging" part is the main issue. I can't verify that Hancock's not part of Destructoid staff, and some of his older content seems to indicate he is; it's quite normal for journalists to be employed part-time.

And regarding the Gematsu post, I appreciate it; but I've been able to use a preexisting source, so it's unnecessary. - Novov T C 04:17, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

2c - No original research

Plans for a 3DS port are never mentioned in the sources. Some of the paragraphs end with unsourced statements, even when the source before the statements can back it up. The PC Gamer quote does not have an in-line citation even though the score is sourced in the reviews template. Same with the Rock Paper Shotgun quote. Lazman321 (talk) 18:08, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I believe I've fixed all of these issues, let me know if I've missed any. - Novov T C 04:17, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

2d - No copyright violations

With a copyvio score of 0.0 %, this article does ✓ Pass this criterion. Lazman321 (talk) 18:09, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

3 - Broad in its coverage

3a - Main aspects

The main aspects of this game have been addressed (gameplay, development, and reception), meaning the article does ✓ Pass this criterion. Lazman321 (talk) 18:13, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

3b - Focus

The article is entirely focused on the game. At no point does it stray off topic. This article does ✓ Pass this criterion. Lazman321 (talk) 18:15, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

4 - Neutral

This article is neutral in its writing, and all opinions are clearly marked as such. This article does ✓ Pass this criterion. Lazman321 (talk) 18:17, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

5 - Stable

There is no ongoing edit war or dispute. Therefore, this article does ✓ Pass this criterion. Lazman321 (talk) 18:26, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

6 - Illustrated

6a - Copyright tags

The fair use rationales on the images are valid enough to include the images in the article. This criterion does ✓ Pass. Lazman321 (talk) 18:26, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

6b - Relevant media

All the images (a cover art and screenshot) are relevant to the game. As such, this criterion does ✓ Pass. Lazman321 (talk) 18:30, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

7 - Verdict

The biggest problem is the sources right now. If you can get rid of unreliable sources and improve on source intergrety, this article might have a chance at passing. I am placing this review  On hold for the standard seven days or until all the problems raised have been dealt with. Lazman321 (talk) 18:48, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. I believe I've fixed all the problems you've mentioned; again, let me know if any are still extant. - Novov T C 04:17, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

There is still one problem left unaddressed. In the development section, two paragraphs end with an unsourced statement. I would recommend moving the OMOCAT Blog citation to the end of these paragraphs so the statements can be sourced. Lazman321 (talk) 14:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Fixed. - Novov T C 02:35, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

This article has  Passed the Good Article review and will now be considered a Good Article. Good job. Lazman321 (talk) 04:26, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for contributing your time. I'll look at returning the favour and helping contribute to the GAN backlog later this month. - Novov T C 04:33, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

About some content in the plot section

Hi @Mir Novov:, I wanted to quickly discuss one of the edits you made in your most recent revision. While I do agree extra details should be avoided in a Plot section and the majority of the edits you did made the page better, there is one I disagree with, quote: "While Basil was consumed by guilt and self-loathing, Sunny's suicidal depression caused him to create his dream persona Omori, who repressed his memories by constantly recreating Headspace. Every time, he had Basil go missing to avoid his mental secrets in Black Space.".

This is a section I had changed because I believe this is partly false information: as explained in the Deeper Well segment ("No matter how many times the path is concealed, the flower boy will always find it. And your dear sister MARI... she will always guide you to it."), Omori always conceals the path to the Truth (the path leading to Black Space), while Basil always finds it by himself. It doesn't seem to me Omori is intentionally sending Basil to Black Space, as Omori is then forced to go into Black Space to rescue him, exposing him to the Truth, something he obviously doesn't want to happen (this is even more evident in the Hikkikomori route, as Omori goes on to actually save Basil and escape from Black Space as soon as he can, avoiding entirely the Truth hidden in it).

I think it makes more sense to explain here that Omori created Headspace to hide Black Space away (as explained by Stranger, "The world that you created above this one... Did you make it to protect this place or to hide it away?"). The part about Headspace being constantly recreated can be mentioned as well, but it should be either avoided or explained in more detail, as the current version is very confusing for anyone out of the loop IMO (doesn't need a whole bunch of explanation, but it could be explained that Headspace is constantly recreated because Black Space always leaks more and more into Headspace in various ways [a photo from the Truth album found by Basil at the beginning of the game, the KEYS, the various forms of SOMETHING, the STRANGER appearances, etc] until a certain point where Omori decides to reset the entirety of Headspace).

And I think that's all about all I had to say. Let me know what you think, I didn't want to simply undo your edit to redo mine, I think talking about it is a better option since we seem to have a different view of this section of the game - Nimportnawak

Hmm. The impression I got was definitely that Omori was sending Headspace-Basil astray to stop him from revealing the uncomfortable truth. However, it's never explicitly said in game as far as I can tell, so I'll remove it. - Novov T C 10:43, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

That's what I thought for a moment, but then the main quest of saving Basil and Omori willingly going into Black Space would make no sense, as that's what he wants to avoid the most. Also, what do you think about mentioning Headspace as a means of covering up Black Space? Since that's explained in-game and it's a pretty important twist in the story (it explains the origin of the place you spend at least half of your playtime in after all) I think it should be mentioned there, but since you replaced it last time I'd like to hear your opinion about that as well. - Nimportnawak

Good points. I've readded the twist, it's just a bit difficult to fit in without sounding too clunky (plus personally, I kinda guessed it early in the game, so it wasn't that big for me). Thanks for your efforts to help improve the article, I appreciate it. - Novov T C 11:06, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick answer and for your edits as well! - Nimportnawak

Plot section

@LBWP: Although I appreciate your edits to the Plot section - especially the bit near the ending, which I think elucidates the reasoning behind decisions more - WP:VG/PLOT states that they should generally be kept to a length of 700 words or fewer, and it was already quite a bit over than even before you made your tweaks. Therefore, I've tried to make it more concise while keeping the content and details you've added ― novov t c 02:49, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Yeah I was definitely getting worried about the plot section becoming too long. I appreciate it. LBWP (talk) 00:19, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Mari's death

the Wikipedia is kind of wrong. Mari didn't commit suicide, atleast Basil wants to make the player think she did. Sunny pushed her down the stairs when they have hit an argument. Ahmedepicwastaken (talk) 14:27, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

How the article is written reflects that: in an argument before their recital, he accidentally pushed Mari down their staircase, causing her to die. In denial that Sunny did it, Basil helped him frame the death as suicide by hanging her corpse. In the English language, to "frame" something or someone means to produce false evidence, i.e. Basil and Sunny made it look like Mari committed suicide. ― novov t c 05:13, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

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All capital names

In the game, the characters’ names are in all capital letters. So this article should preferably put the names in all capital letters. GenZenny💖 (talk) 06:09, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

We don't do that on Wikipedia, see the Manual of Style: ("Avoid writing with all caps [...] when they have only a stylistic function. Reduce them to title case, sentence case, or normal case, as appropriate").--Alexandra^IDV 10:27, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

We need a better image

So i was curious about the gameplay of this game, and the screenshot shown is not an accurate representation of what the game looks like. The game looks very different from the image in fact. Can we get a better screenshot of the game?Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 19:31, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

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we should probably make an omori disambiguation page

i feel like most of the people who are looking up omori on wikipedia are probably looking for the game. and even if they aren't it's still quite a sizable amount, so i think that should be made Yoshikid64 (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

The page views for this page are over 10 times that of Ōmori, so good point. I've created one based off Ōmori (disambiguation) ― novov (t c) 03:18, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Hikikomori route?

It might not be important enough to put here but I want to bring up the idea anyway. Should there be a small bit in the plot section about the hikikomori route? It feels a little awkward that it's completely glossed over but that might just be me. MORTALITY ANOMALY (talk) 19:00, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

It is mentioned, it is just not specifically called that. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:53, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Manga

According to Famitsu, there will be a manga adaptation of Omori: [1]. Could anyone who knows Japanese add information about it in a new section? ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 16:55, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Nevermind, I've added it in a new "Related media" section by using an English-language source. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 17:02, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Would be nice if someone inserted info about the anniversary concert in that section though. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 10:07, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2023

Add full credits of the game in source : https://www.mobygames.com/game/155960/omori/credits/windows/ Milvus Hugues (talk) 16:21, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 16:22, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2023

Mobygames only lists one game designer, Omocat. Shouldn't that be the name in the infobox? Gudetama241 (talk) 23:34, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Per WP:VG/S, MobyGames is not a reliable source. Much of the site consists of user generated content, which is not considered reliable per WP:RS. Sideswipe9th (talk) 23:44, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

What about the official website? Gudetama241 (talk) 00:44, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Removal of second note

In the second sentence of the article’s opening, the note after Sunny’s name says that ‘Sunny’ is merely the protagonist’s default name. However, Omocat themself also refers to the protagonist as Sunny, such as at 5:30, 5:40, 5:43, 10:56, and 11:06, in this stream titled “SUNNY’S BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION STREAM”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFj1IYGqQa0 Given this, I think the note should be removed as it could mislead readers into thinking Sunny’s name isn’t canon or isn’t universally accepted as the protagonist’s name. McDaMastR (talk) 05:49, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I agree it should be removed. Though I don't think it's hugely misleading, I think it's an incidental detail that doesn't really matter that much, just like let's say the volume controls. Our other JRPG articles such as Mother 3 and Final Fantasy VII don't list it for good reason. ― novov (t c) 07:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I would also support removing it, since it really isn't that important. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:49, 28 January 2024 (UTC)