Talk:Omrides
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editThis article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 13:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Problems with this article in its current state
editThis "stub-class" article is very poor quality and there have been "citation needed" and other tags sitting on it for months or years. I do not think it is NPOV any more to refer to Finkelstein and The Bible Unearthed as "revisionist", his research has now become mainstream, with a multi-part documentary based on it broadcast on the History channel. The statement "Most archaeologists in Israel, including Amnon Ben-Tor, Amihai Mazar, and Lawrence Stager, reject this theory" needs to be cited to a WP:RS or removed, and not in months or years, but very soon.Smeat75 (talk) 13:55, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
- I removed the uncited assertions that had been tagged as "citation needed" since March and changed the section heading from "revisionist" to "historicity".Smeat75 (talk) 14:02, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Section moved from article to talk page
editI moved this section from the article - "Worshippers of Baal or Yahweh? Bible described Omrides as idolatrous rulers, which promoted cult of Baal and fight with yahwism. However most of evidences suggest that deity of Omrides was really Yahweh of Samaria, not Baal. Names of some Omrides (such Jehoram, Ahaziach or Athaliah) was theophoric and refered to Yahweh[1][2]. The Mesha Stele set up around 840 BCE, mentioned altar of Yahweh from Kingdom of Israel. It is probably that biblical name "Baal" mean Yahweh of Samaria, not phoenician deity[1]. Maybe Samarian worship of Yahweh was regarded by Judah's priests as heretical, thus was equalized with baalism."
I don't mean to be rude, but this is not written in very good English and I don't really understand it very well. Maybe we can work on it for clarity and put it back into the article.Smeat75 (talk) 02:38, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
- I think your points are very well taken. I have made an effort to correct the section in accordance with your comments and have put the revised version back in the article. BPK (talk) 15:38, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Name
editGoogle books give me 80,000+ hits for "House of Omri" and only 10,000 for Omrides (which includes Omride). Oncenawhile (talk) 17:29, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- ^ a b Edward Lipiński "Studia z dziejów i kultury starożytnego Bliskiego Wschodu" Nomos Press, 2013, ISBN 978-83-7688-156-0
- ^ Łukasz Toboła "Ba'al in the Omrides' history : the historical-theological study", Adam Mickiewicz University in Poznań. Faculty of Theology ; 162 ISBN 9788363266141
Requested move 19 March 2015
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: No consensus. There doesn't seem to be agreement or irrefutable evidence on what sources say, and opinions are fairly evenly split. (non-admin closure) — Amakuru (talk) 11:01, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Omrides → House of Omri – 8 times more common on google books (WP:COMMONAME), and much more recognizable. --Relisted. — Amakuru (talk) 12:53, 30 March 2015 (UTC) Oncenawhile (talk) 17:31, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- Easy support per nom Red Slash 03:28, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support - clear case per sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:41, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose. Google ngrams do not support "8 times more common" in recent works. "Omrids" is a close variant of "Omrides". Srnec (talk) 13:11, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose. While I don't feel it makes much difference one way or the other, I think general usage supports "Omrides," just as it does, say, "Selucids" over "House of Selucis." BPK (talk) 14:07, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Masoretic pointed text is unsourced
edit@Zhomron has modified the Hebrew in the lede to include Masoretic pointed vowels, whereas the text in the article body is unpointed. If the cited sources contain pointed text, then we should have no trouble verifying it and including it in all locations. Elizium23 (talk) 18:59, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- I have tagged the article because the Hebrew text (not to mention the Akkadian cuneiform) lacks any direct inline citation. The table containing the Hebrew names was added in 2015 by @BPK2. The table has never included a single inline citation. It is not for the readership or other editors to pore through the footnotes looking to support assertions in the article; if the foreign-language translations are unsourced then they are hereby challenged per WP:V and subject to removal. Elizium23 (talk) 19:07, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- The information in the tabular list of Omride rulers contested here was imported from the article Kings of Israel and Judah, where inline citations for the names are also lacking. The material has not been contested there, but if it's a problem here, it's presumably a problem there. You might want to hash out the problem on the talk page for that article first. BPK (talk) 14:21, 6 October 2022 (UTC)