Talk:One-Day Cup (England)

Guys, I think it would be great if we merged this article with ECB_40 and Pro40. The latter has the previous formats included, and I think it would really be nice to have one article where what is essentially a line of competitions instead of three.

It could start with something like: The Royal London One-Day Cup is the current 50-over competition in county cricket.

Then we could have a section called "predecessors" with a brief description and all the winners included. I have actually made a huge table in my sandbox of all county cricket tournament winners, and I think wikipedia would really benefit from a better overview of things (I have also noticed no consensus on the county clubs' pages about how to describe their honours.

Any objections?

LeverageSerious (talk) 15:46, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Random selection for tables?

Looking at the tables today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/english-one-day/table

I noticed that they appear to be very much North and South, like the T20 tables.

Unless the random process was VERY lucky, I don't think that this is correct any more.

I just found the rules on the ECB site:

http://static.ecb.co.uk/files/rules-for-ecb-competitions-12779.pdf

And this does indeed look randomised. But it is different to the actual tables this year. I wonder if they changed the rules but didn't update the ECB website?

I'm struggling to find a source. Can anyone help? Adxm (talk) 09:19, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

It's definitely a north-south grouping. http://www.ecb.co.uk/stats/table?competitionId=1804

That page must be out of date.

LeverageSerious (talk) 19:18, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Naming of English cricket competitions

A discussion is taking place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket about how English domestic cricket competitions are named - specifically whether or not sponsor's names should be used in the titles of competitions and how they might be grouped together. A formal merge proposal will follow, but anyone interested might like to start with the discussion there. Thanks. Blue Square Thing (talk) 17:37, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 23 May 2018

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The result of the move request was: Page not moved. Additionally, consensus did not form for the alternate title offered by SMcCandlish. (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Dane ^talk 07:02, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

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Royal London One-Day Cup → English domestic limited overs cricket tournament – If possible sponsor names should not be used for main pages as they may change and become outdated. Steven a91 (talk) 18:09, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

• Comment There was some discussion about this at WT:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 84#English Competition Names. I don't like the suggested name, it is overly long and verbose to me. Something like English One Day Cup or similar. Spike 'em (talk) 08:55, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

The BBC seem to be calling it the One-Day Cup, so we can use that (or a grammatically improved version) with a valid claim of WP:UCN Spike 'em (talk) 11:52, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

I must admit I prefer it without hyphenation. Blue Square Thing (talk) 12:40, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose, and favour English One-day Cup instead. I agree with Spike; the nominator's suggested name is unwieldy, and not something anyone would look for. However, "One-Day" is ungrammatical; it's should be "One-day", because we do not capitalize after a hyphen unless what follows the hyphen is itself a proper name (as in "post-Soviet"). However, "One Day" is also faulty; compound adjectives are hyphenated. So, "Royal London One-day Cup" or "English One-day Cup" are the target titles to consider at this point. I lean toward the latter, because the former is just a marketing/sponsorship name, which will change any time the sponsor changes (and it's not WP's job to help companies like Royal London Group do their advertising). We hit this problem very frequently in sport, and the general solution is to go with the event name used by the sport governing body, and eschew the sponsored names except as redirects.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:06, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose the choice of name - Glamorgan play in it for starters, and other non-English teams have played in a variety of limited overs competitions in the past. For the same reason I wouldn't use anything with England in the title. There are also a number of other listed overs competitions which took place in the past which need to be considered - the B&H Cup, and Sunday League, for example. Unless we're considering merging all of them together into one massive article? Technically, of course, T20 is a limited overs competition as well.

I'd probably go for One-day Cup, although there are issues with regard to competitions in Australia and South Africa which use sponsor names ahead of One Day Cup that would need to be resolved. The question then remains of which competitions do we merge in with this - as outlined on the talk page Spike linked to above. Blue Square Thing (talk) 05:34, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose The proposed title English domestic limited overs cricket tournament seems to be a lengthy title and the header also doesn't seem to be an attractive one like the initial title "Royal London One Day Cup". Abishe (talk) 11:04, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

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Requested move 22 June 2023

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 14:44, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

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Royal London One-Day Cup → One-Day Cup (England) – Royal London are no longer the sponsors, and there is no primary sponsor anymore [1]. As such, the current article name is now outdated (as often happens when we include sponsor names in article names). One-Day Cup appears to be the WP:COMMONNAME this season, but One-Day Cup redirects to the Australian tournament with this name, so better to add (England) as a disambiguator (and One-Day Cup should probably become a dab page too.) Joseph2302 (talk) 11:11, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. WPscatter ^t/_c 16:01, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support, preferably with a space instead of the hyphen and including creation of disambiguation page; per nom. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 17:24, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

• About half the sources I've seen use One-Day, and other half seem to be One Day. Either seems fine to me, and capital D seems correct too (as all sources use that). Joseph2302 (talk) 20:42, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

• Fwiw, the ECB seem to be using One Day Cup ([2]). _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 21:33, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

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New sponsor

This has a new sponsor this year - Metro Bank [3]. Given the above discussion regarding page moves, I don't think the title of the article needs to be changed. But the new sponsor should be noted somewhere on the page, and presumably also at 2023 One-Day Cup. --Viennese Waltz 10:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)