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Recurring cast too long?

Remember to follow the notability guidelines when creating a cast list; not every character deserves to be listed and fewer will justify an individual article (most series have no characters that need stand-alone articles). It may be appropriate to split the cast listing by "Main" and "Recurring" cast or characters. If the series is long-running, and has a large number of recurring guest stars, it may be better to create a separate list of characters articles
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@Alienautic, Amaaaaaa3w, Blobstar, Unnamed anon, Theodorethebear, BrookTheHumming, KingArti, and Lipshiz: Per the MOS:TV, I think we need to trim the reoccurring & guest cast list to just the notable characters. For example, I think leaving the captains of various ships makes sense but we don't need entries for every crew member; similarly, island residents who only appear in one episode & are not important to the on-going plot should also be removed. Pinged a bunch of recent editors who might have ideas about what the local consensus should be on who to include. Sariel Xilo (talk) 19:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Maybe many of them should be moved to the notable guests section. BrookTheHumming (talk) 22:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't think they should be moved unless you're suggesting a spun-out stand-alone list; I'm suggesting most of this list should be removed because cast lists on Wikipedia should not be every character that appears. Sariel Xilo (talk) 22:23, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

I'll say cut down the Recurring section with actors who only appear in 4+ episodes and do not include co-stars as they are just actors who have super minor roles and are below guest starring. Also, guest stars section are supposed to only be notable guest stars, not every single guest star. Special guest stars/special appearances (notable guest stars) should only include those listed in the credits as such, part of the main cast (past or in the present) in another series in the same network, a famous non-actor such as musician or athlete. — YoungForever^(talk) 22:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

4+ episodes seem like far too strict requirement standards for this particular show, as the extremely compressed format of this series compared to the original (over 100 manga or anime episodes compressed into 8 in a single live action season) causes even for the story majorly important supporting characters such as Zeff and Kureha to only appear in one or two episodes. I think that we should gauge by the importance to the plot, not by number of appearances, especially so early in the production of this adaptation. David A (talk) 02:39, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree that 4 episodes is probably a bit too strict since the first season was only 8 episodes; 2-3 is probably better with exceptions for extremely plot relevant characters that only appear once or twice. This lets us keep essentially the parental figures but removes characters like the various bartenders. It appears List of One Piece characters is tracking info for the manga, anime & live action so a stand-alone character list for the live action might not be needed. Sariel Xilo (talk) 02:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

But again, extremely story-relevant characters that are crucial for quite long arcs in the manga and anime, will likely usually initially (as they will also show up several years later in the plot) be compressed into 1 to 2 episodes in the live action adaptation due to its fundamental formatting, so I think that we should include the characters that we know to be very relevant to the story, but exclude ones that are not, rather than go by episode numbers alone. David A (talk) 04:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

My issue is that we don't know how much the show will adapt (ie. how many seasons will it get) so I don't think we should keep characters who might be relevant because of a theoretical season 8. If the live action lasts that long, then those characters can be returned when they become relevant. We should focus on what is relevant within the released live action rather than speculate based on source material. Sariel Xilo (talk) 04:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Would a 2 episodes minimum limit be an acceptable compromise solution? David A (talk) 09:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Looking at the episode count breakdown below, a 3 episode min means removing 7 characters from Recurring and a 2 episode min means removing no characters from Recurring so I don't think 2 episodes is an acceptable threshold since MOS:TVCAST makes it clear that you don't list everyone. The 3 episode min would also mean removing all the guest characters which I think is acceptable because basically all of those characters appear just once. As far as I can tell, everyone who would be removed is already at the dedicated character list article so we don't need to duplicate the non-notable characters here. Sariel Xilo (talk) 17:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Note: This proposal has been listed at the following project: WikiProject Television. Sariel Xilo (talk) 19:22, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

List of characters with episode counts

Recurring

Aidan Scott as Helmeppo - 9 episodes Peter Gadiot as Shanks - 3 episodes Ilia Isorelýs Paulino as Alvida - 3 episodes Langley Kirkwood as Axe Hand Morgan - 3 episodes Tamer Burjaq as Higuma - 2 episodes Kathleen Stephens as Makino - 3 episodes Armand Aucamp as Bogard - 8 episodes Sven Ruygrok as Cabaji - 2 episodes Stevel Marc as Yasopp - 3 episodes Ntlanhla Morgan Kutu as Lucky Roux - 3 episodes Laudo Liebenberg as Benn Beckmann - 3 episodes McKinley Belcher III as Arlong - 5 episodes Celeste Loots as Kaya - 4 episodes Alexander Maniatis as Kuro - 3 episodes Bianca Oosthuizen as Sham - 2 episodes Albert Pretorius as Buchi - 2 episodes Jandre le Roux as Kuroobi - 4 episodes Brett Williams as Merry - 2 episodes Craig Fairbrass as Chef Zeff - 5 episodes Steven John Ward as Dracule Mihawk - 4 episodes Len-Barry Simons as Chu - 3 episodes Chioma Umeala as Nojiko - 3 episodes Grant Ross as Genzo - 2 episodes Rory Acton-Burnell as Nezumi - 2 episodes Season 2 Callum Kerr as Smoker (season 2) Julia Rehwald as Tashigi (season 2 Daniel Lasker as Mr. 9 (season 2) Camrus Johnson as Mr. 5 (season 2) Jazzara Jaslyn as Miss Valentine (season 2) Brendan Murray as Brogy (season 2) Werner Coetser as Dorry (season 2) Clive Russell as Crocus (season 2) David Dastmalchian as Mr. 3 (season 2) Rob Colletti as Wapol (season 2) Ty Keogh as Dalton (season 2) Katey Sagal as Dr. Kureha (season 2) Mark Harelik as Dr. Hiruluk (season 2) Charithra Chandran as Miss Wednesday (season 2) Sendhil Ramamurthy as Nefertari Cobra (season 2) Joe Manganiello as Mr. 0 (season 2) Lera Abova as Miss All Sunday (season 2)

Guest
Michael Dorman as Gold Roger - 1 episode Ben Kgosimore as Mr. 7 - 1 episode Nicole Fortuin as Ririka - 1 episode Chanté Grainger as Banchina - 1 episode Audrey Cymone as Shimotsuki Kuina - 1 episode Nathan Castle as Shimotsuki Koushirou - 1 episode Brashaad Mayweather as Patty - 2 episodes Milton Schorr as Don Krieg - 1 episode Litha Bam as Gin - 1 episode Genna Galloway as Bellemere - 1 episode

Any character that appears in 3+ episodes has that episode count in bold. I would appreciate it if another editor double checks the episode counts in case I made an error somewhere. Thanks! Sariel Xilo (talk) 17:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm not a fan of removing cast members based on episode count, especially since some are important characters despite only being in one episode (Roger, Kuina, and Bellemere come to mind). I think simply splitting the cast list into "main", and recurring/guest into "introduced in season 1", "introduced in season 2", etc. would be better. Still long, but at least organized. Unnamed anon (talk) 18:49, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

MOS:TVCAST states that "not every character deserves to be listed" so I think episode count is a useful threshold especially since List of One Piece characters exists ("If the series is long-running, and has a large number of recurring guest stars, it may be better to create a separate list of characters articles"). The see also template directs readers to that list article & if a character is mentioned in the plot summary but is not in the live-action list, then a direct link to that character's entry at the dedicated list article could be added. Sariel Xilo (talk) 19:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I also think that it is better to organise the list in the manner that you suggested, and that we should only sift away characters with a genuinely very minor role in the story. Removing Gol D. Roger seems like a far too harsh procedure for example. David A (talk) 19:06, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Not every character is notable (per the MOS) especially in shows which have large casts outside of the main characters. Being the key part of an episode or two doesn't make them not minor in terms of the overarching story. Both Law & Order: Special Victims Unit & Buffy the Vampire Slayer handle this by using a prose format focused on the main characters & key recurring along with a link to larger list of characters. This style might be a better fit. Sariel Xilo (talk) 19:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I think that a separate page with a longer list of cast members seems to be a good idea. David A (talk) 19:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Maybe we can format the cast members like ones on the FA/GA TV series articles such as The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest (an FA) or WandaVision (a GA) if it's necessart. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Needs controversy section

The casting of Lera Abova as Nico Robin has received quite a bit of backlash. So massive in fact that members of the Ukrainian parliament have also spoken up against it and called for the boycotting of Netflix. This is a major developing story that will definitely has to be covered. 46.97.170.18 (talk) 08:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

There would need to be a source that the Ukranian parliament responded, and I don't see a source for that. I don't see any articles talking about Abova's backlash either. To my knowledge, it's just social media buzz. Unnamed anon (talk) 17:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Not the Ukrainian parliament in an official capacity, but Roman Hryshchuk has issued a statement on social media - and if this was in any way a hoax, We would've heard of it by now. It's entirely possible that the showrunners are trying to dismiss this as yet another hate campaign coming from the usual suspects, which would be a mistake. 46.97.170.18 (talk) 09:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)