Talk:Ones (album)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Moswento (talk · contribs) 08:10, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

• Hello! Finally time this one got reviewed! I'll start having a look today, and probably post full comments below tomorrow. Moswento ^talky 08:10, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Review comments

Overall

• Overall, this is a strong article, but still needs a bit of work to get it to GA standard. I've listed my thoughts below, and I hope they are helpful. Once these are addressed, hopefully it will be ready for GA promotion. Moswento ^talky 10:44, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

You might be waiting here awhile - the nominator has not edited since August 12. With regard to this article, he has not edited it since May. I would help you except I'm not too familiar with the subject matter (so for example I wouldn't know how to address such concerns as the bonus DVD needing to be mentioned in the "Background and release" section). LazyBastardGuy 03:47, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, guess I should have checked that first! I'll wait a short while and see if anyone else steps in... Moswento ^talky 19:08, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

I can volunteer for this one. But I don't guarantee that I can address all issues because I know literally nothing about the album or the artist.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 16:32, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Well done for taking this on. Let me know when you've addressed everything you're able to address, and then I'll take another look. Moswento ^talky 07:37, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Those were all the issues I can address. Others require more knowledge in this area, and to be honest, I might damage the article if I try to fix them. I suggest to contact editor Jona via e-mail because it would be pity to fail the article after so much waiting.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 14:34, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks for all the work you've done so far. I agree with what you say, it would be a pity to fail the article. I've now e-mailed Jona... Moswento ^talky 08:21, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't think there's any harm in closing this review as a fail, because it'll still be here when Jona gets back and he can address it then, without the pressure of the GA backlog. Further, when he does put it back up for nomination, he can add a note in the note field saying, "Last time this article failed because I was away for an extended period and could not answer the review; I have addressed the concerns and the article may not take long to review now." (he can even directly copy and paste that if he wants) That way people who see it won't be turned-off by the possible workload involved, and they'll feel a little better since the article's been through the wringer before. It'll be quicker and easier, but we've got almost 500 nominations a day now (just a few months ago we had about 350!), and I think after a certain point a decision just has to be made. LazyBastardGuy 19:07, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I was thinking of closing this as a fail today anyway. Thanks LBG for your helpful communications during this review. Moswento ^talky 07:36, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

No problem, and thank you for helping us with the backlog of album article reviews (I've done several myself). LazyBastardGuy 18:01, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Lead

• "and the limited edition included a bonus DVD of her music videos." - this sentence suggests that the Spanish release was the limited edition, so it might be worth clarifying this. Also, the Bonus DVD should be mentioned in the "Background and release" section
• The lead assumes that we know that Selena was dead at the time of this release. For those of us who (much to your distress, no doubt) aren't fans of Selena, this should be made explicit.
• "In an October 2002 interview with..." - I don't think we need to know when this information was given, we just need to know some of the background to why this album was released
• " was released in the wake of the 1997 biographical film Selena." - I do not know what Chris Perez said in the interview, but it seems odd to say that something is "in the wake" of something else if there was a 5-year interval in between. 5 years is a long time in the entertainment industry. Maybe "building on the popularity of the 1997 biographical film Selena"?
• "The six number-one singles featured on the album include" - As all six are listed, "The album features six number one singles, namely..." Done
• "The track was released as a promotional single to radio stations, and received a mixed response from critics." - This information should really be in the main body of the text, either under "Release" or "Reception"
• "The album also received a mixed reception, with Jon O'Brien of AllMusic noting that the record label ignored Selena's self-titled debut album from the track listing on Ones." - See my comments below, in the "Reception" section Done

Background

• As this is a posthumous greatest hits collection, the Background really needs to include a short (one-sentence would be fine) summary of her career, and mention again explicitly the fact that she was dead at this point.
• "On October 17, 2002, Selena's family was interviewed by Julie Chen of The Early Show about Ones." - I don't see that this interview is particularly significant, so it would be better to rework it so that it is less a description of the interview, and more a description of the background behind the album's release, using the interview and the CBS article as sources.
• "audio liner notes" - I assume these are bonus tracks on the CD? Please clarify. Done

Composition

• Some of the tenses in this section can be changed from the past to present tense. E.g. "The first of Selena's number ones on the album is...", ""Baila Esta Cumbia" and "No Quiero Saber" are from 1990's Ven Conmigo". I'm happy to do this if you're unsure.
• "according to critics." - could you name names here? "According to critics" is a bit vague.
• "and was credited as Selena's first number-one single" - This is a bit of an odd thing to say. Either it was a number-one single on an official chart, or it wasn't. The fact that two people erroneously said it was isn't really that important here.
• "Sally Jacobs of the Boston Globe called the recording..." - You need to specify which song you're referring to
• "Four of the six number ones on the album were singles from Selena's last studio album, Amor Prohibido (1994)." - I think it would be great to break to a new paragraph here to aid readability - all of the rest of the paragraph talks about this album.
• "the second single off of Amor Prohibido" - "the second single from Amor Prohibido" would probs be better. "off of" is a bit awkward Done
• "atop" - "at the top of" would be more formal (twice in this section) Done
• "her crossover attempt" - crossover into which genre?
• ""Tú Sólo Tú", was added to Ones" - this makes it sound as if the song was originally not included, and then added at a later point. If not, just say something like "also appears on Ones" Done
• The Lannert review comments are too long at the moment - at most, two sentences would be fine.
• This section is titled "Composition and new material", but you don't really talk about Composition. In other GAs, I've seen headings like "Songs", "Music and lyrics", "Album content" - maybe one of those would be better? Done
• I assume from the lead that the mashup is the "New material"? If so, this could be more explicit

Reception

• "Ramiro Burr of the San Antonio Express News called Ones a collection of "aforementioned hits"" - I can't access this source, and I'm wondering if you could give me the context of this statement? Calling the album a collection of "aforementioned hits" isn't an opinion, it's just a statement that it contains popular songs that are mentioned previously in Burr's article. Done
• "Jon O'Brien of AllMusic wrote that Ones ignores Selena's self-titled EMI debut effort, focusing on her career between 1990 and 1995" - again, this doesn't tell us what Jon O'Brien thought about the album, it's just a description of the album's contents. He doesn't seem to say it in a particularly negative tone.

I'm afraid that this doesn't look like a review. It's just a summary of what the record contains.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 16:55, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

That's definitely not a review. AllMusic didn't even give it a rating. LazyBastardGuy 01:55, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

• Are there any more reviews you could introduce in this section? This is the main weakness of the article at the moment. Not done
• The chart performance stats here are too detailed and obscure the important facts. The only chart stats we really need to know is: when it debuted, when it peaked, when it rose significantly for the 14th anniversary of her death.
• This section is also slightly confusing, because the article jumps from award to chart to sales to chart to awards to sales. It would be clearer if you could group the statements together, so that we read first about the chart performance, then about sales, then about awards/rankings. (Some other GAs would split them into separate sections; I don't know that this would be necessary here)
• "Ones was certified platinum (Latin field)" - I don't see that "Latin field" adds anything here. Isn't a platinum album a platinum album? Done

Sources

• There are errors in footnotes 7 and 18. Done
• Other than that, I don't have any problems with the reliability of the sources. Good work!