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I suggest we delete all comments/messages on this page older than 2015, right?

Unless they say something clever

Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater (just because the baby is now old enough to vote...). But, when you run across a comment that is out of date, e.g. complaining about needing to change something that was changed years ago, or find something that just needs correction, please don't stand on ceremony. Fix it!

• If you delete a significant discussion, esp. documenting a decision, consider leaving a note e.g. "Back in '05 there as a discussion about...due to...consensus was..."
• Discussions that keep recurring, e.g. merging SuSE, SUSE Enterprise Linux, and openSUSE pages, etc. are worth keeping, but may need summarization.

Clean Up or Merge

This article seems to be lacking direction. I propose that openSUSE be clearly defined and separated from the SUSE article, or just be merged into one gigantic SUSE page. Lets really think about this and what we can do to clean up the articles to make them more distinct. Just a thought, would like to hear input negative and positive. Nuclearmound (talk) 14:34, 24 November 2007 (UTC)Nuclearmound

Yast servers

On the page it says:

The YaST Online Update servers (previously available only to paying SUSE Professional customers) are now free.

I used SuSE since version 9.1, and the YOU servers were free ... so it's not a change from "previously" (9.X Professional), and I don't think this statement should be kept in the article. --AM088 21:01, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Are you sure that you did use the Home edition, not the Professional one? User:logixoul 16:07, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

For the SUSE Linux Professional, Personal versions the updates were always free. For the SUSE Linux Enterprise products they are not free. -Marcus Meissner

[outdated comment] Bias

Article is heavily biased in favor of GNOME. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Judas (talk • contribs)

How? --logixoul 12:37, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Well basically, this article should be in favour (bias) of GNOME as now, openSUSE defaults to this interface. Im sure that in articles such as Knoppix, bias is geared heavily toward KDE. As you can see, while yes KDE is a part of openSUSE, it is simply not the central GUI used anymore. --H a m m o 08:28, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

openSUSE doesn't default to either the gnome or kde desktop; Novell's SLED 10 defaults to gnome though. 88.105.200.57 21:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

If anything openSUSE should be biased to KDE. According to the official openSUSE user survey around 72% of users say thay use KDE compared to 22% using gnome.

Actually, the user is given a choice during the install process between KDE and Gnome --Taylor 20:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, TBH, that last comment might be a little bit dated as KDE is the default DE, but GNOME, and others, are available as options when installing. Moreover, there are a lot of different desktop environments, and I am going to update the page to list them, once I figure out what they all are. Others, please feel free comment. DrKC MD (talk) 22:54, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

I think we need to update this article a wee bit

Releases

• Rolling release (Tumbleweed)
• Conventional fixed point release (Leap)
• Transactional update with containered applications (microOS)

microOS, whether as a server container host, or as a workstation is a rather different animal than just the distinction between rolling release and fixed release. In fact, I think it is big enough difference to warrant a significant discussion or its own page. It would be great to have a nice description that someone with a reasonable appreciation of what an operating system is can follow what the various other versions do.

Right now, openSUSE is trying to be everything to everyone. With OBS, that isn't a totally outrageous notion, but the overall view of what can run openSUSE and how it can be used is evasive, and the openSUSE documentation suffers from the same problem that we have here in that it is largely dependent on someone who has the motivation time, expertise, and willingness to endure criticism to pull together.

As an editorial, as a long-time (I paid actual money--and did get a nice paper instruction manual--for my personal edition of SuSE 9) user and proponent of openSUSE, it is becoming harder to understand what all the various projects and tools are, and how they fit together. I think, having a somewhat detailed encyclopedia article would be helpful to a broader community who might want to compare distributions, etc. while leaving the "how to" to the openSUSE documentation projects.

I would suggest the following summary points

OpenSUSE Uses

• Desktop operating system
  • Using microOS to provide a transactional platform (this is alpha project, but, if they can write some documentation and can adapt to use cases where a desktop user might need a "server"--e.g. web server, database server, etc. whether for development or other use cases, and consider supporting manpages so users can look up how to use their new system)
    • Run services in container (e.g. if you need MariaDB to use as a DB platform, not just to hold your korganizer metadata)
    • Use Flatpak (or App stream--although I think there is a total of one application I have that works that way) for desktop software
    • I don't recall what the status of Python and Java user environments in case the user wants to just install a Java program like Eclipse, or do they have to use Flatpak which likely installs another copy of the VM which sort of defeats the whole paradigm of using a VM, but whatever...
• Server operating system
  • Container host
    • Using microOS
    • Using Leap or Tumbleweed
• Virtual machine host OS
• Thin client
• Cluster for distributed and scientific computing
• Rescue System (sort of kidding here--there is a "rescue" mode and disk iamge, but it really, really, really, needs some rescue software

=OpenSUSE Repositories

• Really need to explain why openSUSE has so many repos, and I am not just talking about home: repos. Might even be useful to put together a site tree, to show where the various repos are--at least today--and which ones have actual packages.
  • Might mention that to upgrade you can just change the repos and use zypper dup. While it can be a pain to figure out which repos you have been depending on for software have a new version, e.g. simple change from 15.4 to 15.5, which ones have the new version of the software in the default repo, so you don't need the additional repo (which might even be deprecated/not updated) if all you use are the default repos, it is super easy to update.
• Enabled by user during install
• Common repos that you check a box to enable
• Repos you have to know about/go find
• Third party repos (e.g. Google, Microsoft, etc.) which may be supported by OPI, but not Zypper.

Having some listing of what non-'home' repos available, and what they contain, is pretty important to understanding openSUSE and why it can be so many different things. This doesn't seem to be common knowledge, at least in terms of people who write distribution reviews who are quick to tout some distribution which has a single design feature (e.g. rolling update, or is a Gnome desktop, or is good for software development, or is platform for datascience, or bioinformatics, or particle physics, or all that other things that a single purpose distro might specialize in but which openSUSE also does just fine.

Major Components

• Zypper and Yast2 Software Manager
  • But there is also OPI (OBS Package Installer) which has an overlapping but different catalog
  • And KDE Discover...so a third way to install software, with a different catalog than the first two offer, plus Snap...and PIP, and just installing stuff into ~/bin if it is set up to allow users to run scripts (I don't think this is the default),
    • And there are some other package managers you can install that work with openSUSE
      • dpkg - Debian package management system
      • dnf - Package manager forked from Yum, using libsolv as a dependency resolver
      • pacman - Package manager for the Arch distribution
      • rpm - The RPM Package Manager
      • yum-utils - Utilities based around the yum package manager
      • alien - An experimental Perl Script to Convert Packages
      • Other package manager software that isn't focused on the distribution, but still manages to install software, that can break things
        • leechcraft-lackman - LeechCraft Package manager Module; well, LeechCraft is its own thing, maybe sufficient to mention that it is in openSUSE repos, but I don't recall ever getting it to work properly.
        • npm18 - Package manager for Node.js--OK a bit specialized, not really a distribution package manager
        • pip - A Python package management system
        • pako - The universal package manager library
        • cargo - The Rust package manager
        • helm - The Kubernetes Package Manager
        • mono-nuget - DotNet package manager
        • ⁉ topgrade - Upgrade all the things
        • ansible - SSH-based configuration management, deployment, and task execution system
        • plus WINE or PlayOnLinux, or Steam, or other derived runtimes that let you install/run Windows software (installing the PortableApps runtime is interesting as it gives package management-like capability, although most of the useful software has a native Linux version in an openSUSE repo--but not all, e.g. irfanview, and no matter what notepadqq says, notepad++ is such as different tool given the ecosystem of its plus-ins)
        • Distrobox--part of the desktop microOS framework (end users are expected to install some end-user distribution they want to use, not sure why this isn't automagically a subset of openSUSE by default, but...)
• Btrfs
  • Ability to boot from read-only saved state
• NetworkManager
  • End user tools to configure and manage NetworkManager, esp. to configure WiFi, is somewhat flexible and not always clear. Might be worth mentioned all the different options
    • nmtui
    • nmcui
    • plasma-nm5
    • NetworkManager connection-editor
    • Yast2 network settings--oh, wait, that doesn't work. Brilliant. Maybe someone can explain why not.
  • There are a few other network configuration tools out there. It might be, maybe, useful to list them (with link to their Wikipedia page), but I would also want to point to the openSUSE documentation that says how and when to use things like iw,

Optional Components/Configuration

• Some things I never figured out
  • Kiwi
  • Rescue and recovery options
    • REAR seems to be supported in Yast2, but I don't know enough to comment, but would that make it "default"?
    • There is alot of software available in open suse, CLI, TUI and GUI, which would be useful in rescue and recovery of a down system, much like specialized live disks (which you can make w/ openSUSE, in fact, after frustration with not having some pretty basic software for file recovery like photorec, I made my own LXQt live disk w/ file recovery, persistent storage/updated (on USB thumb drive), password recovery, file system repair partition tools, etc. there isn't any reason why the openSUSE "rescue" system could not have CLI/TUI tools, including backup system specific, e.g. if all your stuff is packed up using dar, having a copy of dar on your rescue disk would be quite handy. Nor is there any reason why I haven't done a proper back up,(the real tricky part is how Btrfs hides things like your MariaDB database tables from most usual tools that would otherwise make short work of creation of compressed version of /var/mariadb/data, etc.) stored the check sums on an updated version of my thumbdrive. Seriously, why do we know that we need to make and test backups and just cross our fingers?!?

Network Services

• Pretty much any network service is in a repo somewhere, this is just a summary of the common ones
• web server (Apache httpd, nginx, squid)
• email (IMAP/SMTP) server (dovecot, kolab, cyrus, postfix, mailman, fetchmail, with scanning by spamassassin, clamav,

amavisd-new - High-Performance E-Mail Virus Scanner)

• authentication server (e.g. PAM, LDAP, Kerberos, OAuth)
• application servers
  • uwsgi
  • Python
    • Flask
  • Java
    • Jetty
    • Tomcat
  • I am sure there are other languages people use for this...just need some help here
• remote access
  • openVPN, ipsec,

Containers

Its a fashionable topic. But one thing that you can do w/ openSUSE is set it up to either be your (in the) container runtime or run your containers, ditto for working as VM host/VM/cloud computing OS host/cloud computing OS client. One might be tempted to think that any distribution with all of these container runtimes and tools must be a specialized operating system for containers, rather than just yet another example of how flexible openSUSE is.

• containers-systemd configuration files and systemd units to run the openSUSE containers via podman managed by systemd. Currently supported are
  • bind
  • dhcp-server
  • mariadb
  • nginx
  • squid
• distrobox (? if need to run w/ rootlesskit as an unprivledged user)
• podman
• systemd-container
• tools e.g. conmon, runc, crun, buildah, ansible, apko, apptainer, cadvisor, container-diff, container-selinux, container-suseconnect, containerd, bubblewrap, cri-o,etcd-for-k8s-image,firecracker,flannel, holodev (tool for creating Debian Linux containers), kail, kube-controller-manager, lxc, lxd, nerdctl, openscap-containers, oras, reg, singularity, skopeo, trivy, udica, udica, catatonit, virt-sandbox, vpx-tools

Security

• Historically, openSUSE has had AppArmor, but also has SELinux. Worth mentioning that either is an option (probably not both!)
• Network intrusion detection (suricata - Open Source Next Generation Intrusion Detection and Prevention Engine,
• Host-based intrusion detection (AIDE, Tripwire)
• Compartmentalizing running components (chroot, containers, firejail)
• Options to harden system
  • Audit
  • Secheck
  • Most of the software used in network security reconaissance, vulnerability testing, even exploits are in existing repos. I never compared w/ Kali, etc. but I suspect much of what people use Kali for could be done w/ openSUSE
  • Yast2 Security Secenter
  • Modsecurity, owasp-modsecurity-crs OWASP ModSecurity Common Rule Set (CRS)
  • openscap, scap-workbench,

Desktop Environments

• KDE Plasma is the default, but user can select GNOME, a basic X11, or a text-mode (e.g. BASH)
• Desktop media framework (pipewire, pulseaudio,
  • ⁉❔❓ help here! what other DEs are offered when running the installation?
  • ⁉❔❓ does TW and Leap have same options?
• Basic X11 environment is available with icewm - Window Manager with a Taskbar for the X Window System that can emulate the look of Windows '95, OS/2 Warp 3, OS/2 Warp 4, and Motif and tries to take the best features from those systems. IceWM features multiple workspaces, opaque move and resize, a taskbar, a window list, mailbox status, and a digital clock. It is fast and small.
• Graphic Desktop environment options which can be installed later and the user can choose which they want to use for a particular session
  • ⁉❔❓ What to say about X11 vs. Wayland?
    • ⁉❔❓ Is it worth mentioning issues and limitation (e.g. software that works differently under Wayland vs. X11)
    • ⁉❔❓ There are some dependency issues (a few hundred!) if you switch between default KDE and LXQt, for example. While this is probably not a feature, it might be worth bringing up.
  • GNOME (if not installed before) using X11 or Wayland (or you can install both)
  • KDE (if not installed before) using X11 or Wayland (or you can install both)
    • liquidshell - Basic Desktop Shell leveraging KDE Frameworks libraries
  • Sugar, kids educational desktop
  • LXQt, a lightweight Qt based DE that is the successor to LXDE.
  • XFCE, a lightweight GTK based DE
    • Default runs on lightdm - Lightweight, Cross-desktop Display Manager
  • cinnamon - GNU/Linux Desktop featuring a traditional layout
  • LXDE is a lightweight X11 desktop environment similiar to XFCE in its nature.
  • Enlightenment window manager and desktop environment is really fast, configurable and beautiful.
  • The MATE desktop environment is a desktop environment using traditional metaphors.
  • The Deepin desktop environment is a Qt desktop environment using fashion metaphors.
  • The Budgie Desktop is a feature-rich, modern desktop designed to keep out the way of the user based on Gnome.

• Speech based user interface options
  • espeak - Software speech synthesizer (text-to-speech)/ espeak-ng - Software speech synthesizer (text-to-speech)
    • brltty-driver-espeak - ESpeak driver for BRLTTY (BRLTTY is a background process (daemon) which provides access to the Linux/Unix console (when in text mode) for a blind person using a refreshable braille display. It drives the braille display and provides complete screen review functionality.)
  • festival - The Speech Synthesis System
  • kmouth - Speech Synthesizer Frontend
  • speex - An Open Source, Patent Free Speech Codec
  • mimic - Mycroft's TTS engine, based on CMU's Flite (Festival Lite)
  • pocketsphinx5 - Speech recognizer library written in C/pocketsphinx - Speech recognizer library written in C
  • cmuclmtk - CMU-Cambridge Statistical Language Modeling toolkit
  • libQt6TextToSpeech6 - Qt 6 TextToSpeech library
  • libspeechd2 - Device independent layer for speech synthesis - Client library
  • mbrola - Speech Synthesis System
  • speech-dispatcher - Device independent layer for speech synthesis

• Running Windows Software
  • ⁉❔❓ What issues are there w/ WINE if you are running on ARM64?
• TUI options
  • E.g. TUI version of Yast2, Network Manager
  • Graphic software that works w/ framebuffer but does not require X11/Wayland

End user specialized software

This is too numerous to list. But the range of specialized software is likely to be surprising to people who don't use their computer for much more than word processing, email, and web browsing. E.g. geographic visualization systems (i.e. combine maps, geographic/geologic/environmental/remote sensing and live data to create a 3D virtual environment so you can explore an area w/o being exposed to its hazards), next generation gene sequencing with protein prediction and modeling of small molecule docking with the resulting protein to screen for drug candidates for patients with a specific type of disease your discovered doing statistical analysis and machine learning of data in an electronic health record system, nuclear physics simiulation and analysis, creation and editing/post-production including sound track authoring/computer synthesizers of feature-length 3-D animated movie w/ mixed live action following the script you wrote, bulding software from requirments analysis to testing and packages with documentation generation and publication in multiple formats, etc. etc.

Distribution/Project

I have been told that openSUSE is a project, whereas SUSE Linux is a distribution. If any merge should take place, it would be openSUSE into SUSE Linux, as SUSE Linux is the more significant phenomenon. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 13:41, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. --logixoul 11:32, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think NOVELL is making SUSE Linux as of 10.0 thay only handle SUSE Linux Enterprise (suse.com goes to SUSE Linux Enterprise) - Mtmtmt

I agree with the above. OpenSuSE is a project for improving SuSE. There are still a lot of Novell developers working on SUSE (actually most of the internal developers are with Novell). Especialy with 10.1 not having a seperate OSS edition, (to a certian extent) OpenSUSE and SUSE are more distinct. --Micahgeek 22:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I think that they should be kept separate, at least for now. ~Linuxerist E/L/T 17:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree; either they should be kept separate, or openSUSE merged into SUSE, not the other way round. --Twenex 11:41, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. They can be kept separate or openSUSE should be a section in SUSE. -- Jamadagni 2006-07-06 17:40 UTC+0530

They are different - One is Open source other has closed stuff in it, they have different webpages and Opensuse.org makes it very clear there is a difference

Strongly disagree (see. my other post below)Just look at Fedora Project and Fedora Core However, the the distinction is not as apparent and openSUSE developers are mostly (if not all) employed by Novell. All in all, I agree with the merger and openSUSE redirected to Suse Linux --Emre D. 16:09, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the openSUSE article should be merged in to the SUSE Article. Rudraksha 01:14, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

keep separate for easier reading and referening Tobias Conradi (Talk) 20:17, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

• With 10.1, the name OpenSUSE was dropped and, instead Suse Linux was used. However, just Look at this mailing list post; http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse-announce/2006-Jul/0002.html Therefore, I am changing my vote to "Strongly disagree" --Emre D. 17:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it's the other way around? Novell announced that the community/consumer edition will be named openSUSE after 10.2 has been released. So openSUSE is the new name, soon. --Wpks 21:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

READ THIS http://www.en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_News

If you read the mailing list post, community/Free/Consumer distribution will be named openSUSE again. Thus, commercial editions (SLES,SLED) shall be named Suse Linux Sorry for making my point not clear enough by using the wrong word (dropped). What I meant was, they had stopped using openSUSE with 10.1 but they decided to use it again with 10.2. Hope it is more clear now. Cheers. --Emre D. | Talk 03:50, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

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As per this discussion I removed the merge template. SUSE Linux and openSUSE won't get merged for now. Feel free to comment. --logixoul 16:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

If we are going to list SUPER and SLICK, we should provide a link to them. I would download them if they existed. THEY DON'T EXIST, they should be deleted. Well, they exist but they are not being worked on as far as I can tell. Why should they be listed? There are many other defunct projects we could list, if we wanted to waste space similarly.--Gene Venable, Sept 30 2006

openSUSE's SUPER article doesn't say they're defunct, so they aren't. Right? --logixoul 11:29, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I think that the SLED, SLES, openSUSE and SUSE Linux articles should be all merged into a separate article known as "The SUSE Product Family" That way it is possible to provide a practical all-around guide to the fantastic distro that is SUSE. Also, if you actually did read SUSE community stuff, you would know that SUPER and SLICK are on heiatus due to the fact that they need to redefine their goals - they are not defunct, as logixoul has explained. --H a m m o 08:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

How about "SUSE distributions of Linux"? --logixoul 16:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I say no. This is the same discussion as above, which decided they should have separate articles. As such, I will remove the suggested merging (If I am wrong, please feel free to revert) --I80and 20:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

No. of CDs

If I want to install openSUSE with a GNOME desktop, how many CDs do I need to download. I have heard that to install multi-CD distros you only need the first one. Is this true, or would the first CD only give KDE? Thanks, 0L1 - User - Talk - Contribs - 19:04 23 2006 (UTC)

No this isn't true. No matter which desktop you choose to default to, you need all the CD's in order to install default packages. There is five CD's in the distribution. Also, remember that KDE is no longer the default GUI for openSUSE so it may not possibly be on the first disk (???). I installed the KDE environment when I installed openSUSE and I had to use Disk 1, Disk 2 and Disk 5 (?). Alternatively, you can just download the DVD .iso from a mirror server. If downloads are a problem, you can actually buy a magazine called openSUSE 10.1, which is published by Linux Format. If you need any more information regarding the Distro, drop a line on my User Talk Page. Alternatively visit the openSUSE wiki. --H a m m o 08:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm downloading them now. 0L1 - User - Talk - Contribs - 10:00 24 2006 (UTC)

Is this a candidate for some clean up?

• While it is true that you can burn the openSUSE DVD to spinning polycarbonate, and it would work, if your computer still has a DVD slot, most of the time I think this is done via USB drive.
  • Live distributions are DE specific, but otherwise it is a single ISO with a couple of DEs in it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DrKC MD (talk • contribs) 22:59, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Rewrite

I have decided to put the four articles regarding SUSE up for merger. Failing this I have decided to undertake a complete rewrite of the openSUSE article as well as a complete rewrite of the SLES and the SLED articles. If anyone wishes to comment drop me a line on my talk page or here.--H a m m o 10:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I have gone though and done a basic re-write. I am a first time author and as such did not write the best entry out there. But, this page has much more valid information than the old one did. Please feel free to change/restructre as you please :).--H a m m o 10:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

New article

I have created the article entitled SUSE Linux Distibutions in order to provide an up to date resource for SUSE linux. I am a firm advocator for SUSE and hope that the general wikipedian public agrees on this article becoming the proper article for SUSE Linux. As of now I am on SUSE IRC channels trying to get professionals to clean up this article. To vote on whether this should be main page leave a yes or no comment under this comment --H a m m o 09:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Updated

I have, sometimes without logging in, updated and improved the content on this page. A lot of the content was a simple merge from the SUSE Linux page, but much of it is an update on the pertinent information surrounding the openSUSE project. I have taken steps to insure that both KDE and GNOME are represented equally. Further, I have attempted to link readers within Wikipedia to more information where available and to the openSUSE site where appropriate. Aodhagan 23:43, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Screen Shots

Perhaps screen shots of GNOME and KDE running under OpenSUSE 10.2 ??? Nuclearmound 19:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)Nuclearmound

I've uploaded 10.3 KDE. DavidJMiller 09:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks nice. I put in a mini gallery at the end of the page. I figured it would be the best way to show the two desktop environments. Maybe we could all contribute to the gallery with other SUSE works?Nuclearmound (talk) 04:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)Nuclearmound

sources

any source back to Novell is a primary source. And if only Novell is writing about the distribution they "own" (is that right for open source software?) then it can't really be all that notable can it? Garrie 05:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Update for the release of 10.3

I would just change the reference to 10.2 as the current stable release to say 10.3, but there are actually several other changes that need to be made throughout the article with regard to 10.3. Enough of this information is over my head that I don't feel comfortable doing this. So--count this as a call for someone to update this page! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.210.219.131 (talk) 20:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Update for openSUSE 11

This article doesn't seem to have so many editors updating it. We need to get rid of the "latest unstable release" part, put in an openSUSE 11.0 (maybe KDE 4) screenshot, and re-word the article accordingly. Althepal (talk) 04:28, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Done -Althepal (talk) 04:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

InstLux

Instlux redirects to this article, but is not mentioned in the text at all. 85.179.159.212 (talk) 13:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

See the Instlux page on openSUSE's Wiki. It is some component, like Wubi, which lets users install openSUSE from within Windows. I'm not really sure how big it got or if it is still really in use -- bottom line, it wasn't all that important to the article which is still pretty short, so maybe it was left out since there wasn't a good place in the article to put it. Although, I suppose may it'd be okay if you can find a nice way of putting it in the Version 10.x section (since that's where it was introduced)

Personally, I think it should have its own little article, even though there's not much information on it, because it is a system component that isn't dealt enough in the OS's article. Make a Wikipedia account, 85.179.159.x, make sure to follow the guidelines, and you can start the Instlux article yourself! :) Althepal (talk) 17:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

openSUSE 11.0 no default KDE

Hi. I think this is something we might have to discuss. I cited "Benjamin Webber"'s blog to say there is no default in openSUSE 11. I'm also going to cite this old interview on the openSUSE website with "Stephan binner". If you're not convinced let's talk about it.

PS. OpenSUSE rocks. --Kinst (talk) 23:55, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

All right. It's true. Check the install DVD and right there they say flat out that they don't recommend any one DE. But that doesn't change the fact that the KDE LiveCD is KDE 4.0 not KDE 3.5. I'm fine with not mentioning one as a default though. Althepal (talk) 05:36, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

You're right, I added that to the article (that there's no Live CD for KDE3). Consensus is good. :-) --Kinst (talk) 06:23, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks good. :-) Althepal (talk) 18:36, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

The pronunciation on the OpenSUSE and SUSE Linux pages seems inconsistent. In fact, Googling seems to yield inconsistent opinions for how it should be said in English (let alone how it's pronounced in German...), including "rhymes-with-moose" as well as the "sounds like Suzy" that the SUSE Linux page seems to advocate. I personally say Zoo-zuh, but I am far from being an authority on the subject... 216.240.30.23 (talk) 22:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I said S-ooze until somebody corrected my pronunciation as su-see.209.195.94.234 (talk) 14:49, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Also on pronunciation, is it really pronounced /ˌoʊpɛnˈsuːzə/ rather than /ˌoʊpənˈsuːzə/? I've not heard people pronounce it but I'd assume people pronounce the first part as open. I'll change it unless someone confirms it should be as it is currently. Ivanivanovich (talk) 20:05, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

The inconsistency seems to be driven by marketing. Prior to Novell's acquisition of SuSE Linux AG, the pronunciation seems to be /ˈsuːsə/:

SuSE, pronounced soo'-suh, comes from the German acronym, "Software und Systementwicklung (Software and System Development)".

according to suse.de in 2001. This was back in the days of "SuSE Linux" (contrasted with the older "S.u.S.E. Linux" and the post-Novell era "SUSE Linux" which is a name, not an acronym). When the shift to /ˈsuːzə/ happened, I don't know for sure, but probably happened when OpenSUSE was released or thereafter.

A recent marketing video from October 2011 for SUSE (pronounced /ˈsuːzə/) documents the shift of the pronunciation of the company. Ldavis2 (talk) 00:54, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

The previous video link is unavailable/private, here is a newer one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLdexZlVkAY Dalba 13:37, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

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Version image is wrong - next Release 12.1

The next openSUSE Release is going to be 12.1, not 11.5 as stated in the graphics. The release naming scheme has been changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.56.13.5 (talk) 07:49, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Latest Version Layout

 I have been working on a Linux Users Group resource page and need some
conformity of all the Wiki Linux versions and distributions. Debian has an
excellent template and I have made an RSS reader to pluck version data from
the wiki page. Would be nice if I could get all of them to follow this method
and my page could keep up to date with all the latest versions.  
RSS source path
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Latest_stable_software_release/Debian&feed=rss&action=history     
RSS Template.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Latest_stable_software_release/Debian&action=edit  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Icarusfactor (talk • contribs) 02:45, 23 August 2012 (UTC) 

Evergreen

For the version history section, should 11.2 be counted as supported as 11.4 is because of Evergreen support or should 11.4 be counted as EOLed because it has lost official support (announced only on mailinglist)? Evergreen info here: [1] Justashuman960 (talk) 18:32, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Port for ARM

Is there a port for the ARM architecture? --79.224.231.57 (talk) 22:52, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Criticism

The section should be improved by adding the critics from http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html about including non-free parts in the linux core. Linux-libre core cannot be used in OpenSUSE.88.69.124.50 (talk) 00:10, 1 August 2013 (UTC) Vladimir

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Proposed merge of Factory

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Result was Merge; Stagnant merger discussion. Consensus appears to suggest merger. Content potential for Factory or Tumbeweed is too limited to warrant more than just a section of openSUSE until more information and reliable sources arise. BruzerFox 04:57, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

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I'd like to propose that Factory (openSUSE) is merged into openSUSE. The former page is merely a stub and given that it's just an internal development term nowadays instead of a separate distro, it should be merged into the main page.

• Support per WP:SIZERULE and absence of the potential of growth. After all, what more can one say about it? —Codename Lisa (talk) 05:52, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

• Support agree with "User:Codename Lisa". Editor-1 (talk) 12:49, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

• Against: I suggest transforming the current Factory article to one about Tumbleweed. Leap and Tumbleweed are related but still very distinctive products (a bit like CentOS and Fedora). Talking about both in one article is awkward at best from an editorial point of view, e.g. all release timelines of Leap and its predecessors are totally irrelevant for Tumbleweed. I was planning to do two separate articles anyway but somehow I missed (or forgot) that there is a Factory article already. That kind of content split is totally acceptable here: WP:CONSPLIT --KAMiKAZOW (talk) 15:39, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

• Hi. Does that entail renaming the article? Also, how much contents do you have at hand? —Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 05:08, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

• Support per size and sourcing. The incoming redirect Tumbleweed (operating system) is better targeted at openSUSE now, pending any new article. Widefox; talk 09:20, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

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sax2

the article says "SaX2 was once integrated into YaST to change monitor settings, however with openSUSE 11.3 SaX2 has been removed", but does not explain what SaX2 is, and does not link to anything. 11.3 also is an old version - maybe this sentence can be removed ? --Richlv (talk) 10:57, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

@Richlv: SaX2 redirects to YaST, and YaST#Details says SaX2 (and the earlier SaX) were the SuSE Advanced X configuration tool. IOW, SaX and SaX2 were used to configure the X software in function of your display hardware. — Tonymec (talk) 23:39, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Explain weird version numbering 13-42-15!

Could someone please add an explanation (if there is one!) of the crazy-looking Leap version numbers where 13 is followed by 42 and then 15? This is very definitely confusing enough to be worth explaining. (I thought for a moment I had ended up on a side-track with 42.3, especially as so little about 42 currently comes up on opensuse.org.) PJTraill (talk) 22:20, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

I see that the (silly, Douglas Adams) answer is given at OpenSUSE_version_history#Leap_42_series; it must be possible to summarise it or refer there. PJTraill (talk) 23:27, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Weasel wording

Weasel wording detected: "Tumbleweed is the flagship..."

Avoid peacock and weasel terms

--Mortense (talk) 22:36, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Version timeline

Someone recently deleted the version timeline chart on the basis that it was too similar to the release history table. I have restored the chart because the presence of both a table and a chart is consistent with the articles for other Linux distributions.

For example, see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_version_history#Table_of_versions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_Linux#Releases

Although the data presented in the table and timeline are basically the same, they do serve different purposes. The table gives viewers access to precise release dates. The timeline gives visual representation of the releases relative to one another, something which the average human cannot easily digest just from reading the dates in a table.

66.97.168.197 (talk) 02:52, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Merge from SUSE Linux?

Does anyone else agree that SUSE Linux should be merged to here? The distro basically turned into openSUSE while continuing the version number. Also SUSE Linux covers topics that should probably belong to SUSE because it talks about company/corporate stuff. Flakesosa (talk) 21:30, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

I agree. It should be merged to openSUSE. nutzboi (talk) 18:15, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

I definitely agree and can't believe it still hasn't happened. I will try and make merge now. Tonycosby (talk) 20:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

OK it's been merged! Most of SUSE Linux was just a duplicate of SUSE S.A. with all company information and list of products. Now it's all good! --Tonycosby (talk) 20:36, 4 September 2024 (UTC)