Talk:Operation Corridor 92/Archive 1

Archive 1

Casualty numbers

Reading through the cited casualties report I failed to see any solid numbers for the total # of wounded and especially dead from the various sides. Maybe I missed it, but nothing of the sort mentioned under the "casualties and losses" sections appeared to be corroborated in the cited material. So I'm wondering if someone can show me where these numbers came from. In addition the entire document appears to be only focused on the Croatian forces (HV) and (HVO) (particularly incidents of mass desertion of front lines, and other disciplinary issues and how they should be fixed within Croatian units) without any focus on exact losses of the VRS and ARBiH forces, as well as practically no generalized elaboration on their losses either. Might be a phony citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.145.167.65 (talk • contribs) 5 January 2009‎

Brigade types

at 'Strength'you should write tahat bosnians and croats had 'r' type brigades of 1000 people and not 'a' with 5000 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.3.58.173 (talk) 19:38, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

historical map

Territories of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina and the Republic of Croatia controlled by Serb forces, after the Operation Corridor.

I noticed that some contributors remove images with referenced description without prior discussion on talk page. This dangerous and illegitimate practice leads us to edit warring and should not be used on Wikipedia. I repeat, please use talk page if you are disputing something. Edit summary is simply not enough for dispute resolution.

So, if someone thinks that this image is not appropriate, let's discuss it here.--Mladifilozof (talk) 03:10, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

baby deaths

Regarding this revert - I think Death of 12 newborn babies in Banja Luka actually merits mention here because it fits a pattern of Propaganda in the Yugoslav Wars. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 22:19, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

That sounds like SYNTH. I mean, sure, it might serve to illustrate the propagandistic tone in the way that was covered but for that we'd need a contemporary article from that period. But what we've got is a Politika article dated February 2008, some 16 years after the event, which does not connect Operation Corridor with the event at all. Perhaps it might be mentioned to illustrate the context (that is, the obvious supply problems that Republika Srpska had due to sanctions and the no-fly zone) but I haven't seen a reliable source directly connecting the two events. Timbouctou (talk) 23:01, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that using that 2008 source is incoherent (which is why I didn't revert the edit), but it's pretty much a given that the same storyline existed back in the day, too. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 10:20, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

BTW there didn't seem to be an enforced no-fly zone at this time, Operation Deny Flight only started in 1993. On May 15, the UN Security Council passed the United Nations Security Council Resolution 752 that seemed to be generic. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:31, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

scope

After some more analysis of the sources, I found this article to be a gross WP:NPOV violation. Even the scope is completely unclear - not a single linked source seems to verify the timeline of the VRS operation, and instead they generally talk about the fall of Bosanska Posavina as a whole. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 13:21, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

I've posted the following message to the two listed WikiProject talk pages, as well as the .hr and .rs ones:

We've had a persistent problem with POV pushing and edit warring at Operation Corridor for months now, and it looks like there's a general confusion regarding the timeline of the operation. The Serbian POV edits have limited the time of the operation to around two months, but still mentioned Bosanski Brod three months later, and used Croatian POV sources to reference that (d'oh). The Croatian POV edits have pointed to the preceding invasion of Bosanski Šamac and largely ignored the stated length. I've tried to make some sense of it, and enforced WP:ARBMAC against the most egregious POV pusher, but I fear it's still incoherent and no less prone to dispute, so I would appreciate it if someone else could examine it and try to fix it properly.

--Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:18, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, ok. Although i find these subjects disgusting, after User:Mladifilozof added terrifying POV in numerous articles about Yugoslav War. There are still a lot of job to be done to fix that. I will find some neutral references, and fix as much as i know. --WhiteWriter ^speaks 22:48, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

From what I have read, I don't think anyone can argue at the summer timeline (June-July) as every source on the topic says virtually the same thing. However, I also found some sources mentioning further fighting a few months later in October, but cannot confirm that it was a part of the Operation. --Jesuislafete (talk) 08:13, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

October operation was initiated by ARBiH and HVO / HV (Bosnian / Croatian Forces), in Brcko region to cut the serbian east / west corridor and open the northern connection between Bosnia and Croatia. This is my first hand knowledge, I don't have a source - I'll try to find one. I'm not sure if that operation should be part of "Operation Corridor", though. Does anyone think it should? --Sedefsmrti (talk) 14:04, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 June 2012

This is not relevant. They do not say anything about 12 babies that died because they didn't have any oxygen to breathe. That was the main motiv for braking the coridor and connecting territory, so that they can have enough medications. 46.239.19.121 (talk) 17:05, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Mdann52 (talk) 17:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Interesting facts

• Interesting fact about 47 people killed in Sijekovac is "killing" but 30 killed people in Doboj and "48" in Bijeljina is a "massacre".
• Not a single word about 12 dead babies in Banja Luka's hospital.
• In Tuzla, Yugoslav army didn't "enter the battle with ARBIH forces"! They were brutally ambushed and burned down during paceful retreat from the garrison which was previously arranged. Armed ARBIH soldiers attacked 18-19 y.o. boys from all over the ex-YU, on conscription who found themselves in the garrison when the war started. And those boys were in transportation trucks, not in combat positions!

Interesting choice of words and what needs to be put in the article. Not objective, at all.~~ NS~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.101.104.134 (talk) 10:42, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

This is not a place for Serb nationalist propoganda. However to answer your point;

• There has never been any credible evidence for a deliberate massacre in Sijekovac, despite Serb nationalist claims to the contrary. Our own article on the event states that the 1993 Helsinki watch report found no evidence of a massacre, based on numerous interviews on the event. Also, the attack on Sijekovac did not occur in a vaccum, despite what Serb nationalists claim, but after very heavy shelling of Bosanski Brod nearby by Serb forces, as well as various other towns (Neum and Gorazde), and occured after Serb paramilitaries tried to take over the town.
• That is mentioned now, and it is indeed a great tregedy, although it is disgraceful that it is constantly used as propoganda by Serb nNationalists.
• Nice attempt to illicit sympathy. The JNA were troops belonging to a foreign state that was attacking the country, and who had in conjunction with SDS and other militias, assisted in systematic murder, rape and expulsion of all non-Serbs from the areas they took over. Where Bosnia’s defenders did prepare their defences and fight back against the JNA, they were sometimes able to protect their people from killing and massacre, as in the case of Tuzla, whose population was spared the massacres, expulsion, torture and rape that befell the citizens of other East Bosnian towns. One may compare the fate of Tuzla and Zvornik, which surrendered peacefully to the JNA.Thannad (talk) 04:14, 18 January 2013 (UTC)