Talk:Orang Asli

Sea of broken links

Most of the links in the Demography section are broken, save for one, which is a page in Malay. Nyoome (talk) 05:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

B class

Should this page be upgraded to B-Class. It's more comprehensive now.Wai Hong (talk) 08:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Ya, seems to be a B-class article now. kawaputra^torque 09:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

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Constitution

Orang asli not getting the rights of bumiputera has always seemed an unfairness to me and while my personal viewpoint is irrelevant, I added a section on the lack of recognition from the source alway used in the article. AFAIK, Orang Asli also don't get any of the benefits of the NEP, no quotas etc. There are perhaps bigger issues but perhaps worthy of more mention in the article. I believe SUHAKAM has argued that orang asli should receive recognition in the constititution but couldn't find mention of this in the source used in Bumiputera (Malaysia) (See Talk:Bumiputera (Malaysia)#Constitution/SUHAKAM) so haven't added this for now. There's some interesting comments in the source we use at [1] from Mahathir and TAR which could perhaps be incorporate in the article (and are probably better then the unsourced claims of the Malay view) but I wasn't sure how to do so as the comments are specifically reflecting on them being bumiputera at the section is about.

BTW SUHAKAM generally is probably a decent source for issues relating to orang asli rights and the like. For example [2] mentions that they're currently preparing a report due for release in mid 2010.

Nil Einne (talk) 17:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

The Malaysian constitution doesn't use the word "bumiputra", rather it uses more specific definitions; it defines only "Malay" and "indigenous peoples" (Article 160(2)), "natives" of Sarawak (161A(6)(a)), and "natives" of Sabah (Article 161A(6)(b)). The "indigenous people" undoubtedly refers to Orang Asli, and as such, they are entitled to the same rights as the Malay and natives of Sabah and Sarawak. Your perception that orang asli doesn't receive constitutional recognition is something that comes out of your ignorance of the constitution itself. Maybe because during the time you wrote that comment, there was lack of content on the Bumiputra comment page. In practice, the orang asli has always been eligible for their special rights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.171.164.46 (talk) 14:25, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Orang Asal Redirect

The term Orang Asal is a self-identification term that encompasses all indigenous people of Malaysia, whether in the Peninsular or in Borneo. Orang Asli OTOH is a specific term that refers to the indigenous people of Peninsular Malaysia only. The redirect of Orang Asal to this page might require some review. - Bob K | Talk 06:03, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Who beat the communists?

"as with their help, the Malayan army was able to defeat the communist insurgents" doesn't sound right. This conflict was fought largely by British and Commonwealth forces. --163.119.172.226 (talk) 13:38, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

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Sabah and Sarawak Orang Asli

@192.100.135.121:

@三葉草:

previous IP 192.100.135.121 edit is correct - Orang Ulu (including Dayak etc) in Sarawak & Anak Negeri in Sabah are all Orang Asli aka indigenous people.

(observing as an asian who lived in South East Asia nation) (though I not proud to say it out which ethnic asian which SEA country is, can inferred who am I in edit history)

that edit is correct to mention completely about missed Sabah and Sarawak statistics (percentage of indigenous people aka Orang Asli - out of - federated Malaysian states of Sabah and Sarawak)

that incorrect reversion Special:Diff/1187936176 is WP:NOTMINOR edit - not a minor edit - only typo/grammar/punctuation/formatting/layout/etc would counted as WP:MINOR edit

--- Cat12zu3 (talk) 11:19, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

quoting the [IWGIA source]:

...Orang Asli are the Indigenous Peoples...In Sarawak, the Indigenous Peoples are collectively known as natives (Dayak and/or Orang Ulu)...70.5% of Sarawak’s population...In Sabah, the 39 different Indigenous ethnic groups are known as natives or Anak Negeri...58.6% of Sabah’s population --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 11:30, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

hence Sarawak's (collectively) Orang Ulu & Sabah's (collectively) Anak Negeri are all (collectively) Orang Asli --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 11:31, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Locally we just called them Orang Asli without Sabah/Sarawak states distinction. --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 11:34, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

I also know a few basic Malay words (just didn't preferred to say it out in my home page for some reasons) - including each 5 single words of Orang Ulu / Orang Asli / Anak Negeri - all words are ok --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 11:47, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

@Cat12zu3:Orang Asli refers to the indigenous ethnic groups of the Malay Peninsula. Orang Ulu refers to a group of 27 minority indigenous ethnic groups in Sarawak and to some extend in Sabah as well. Orang Asal is a collective term that encompasses all indigenous ethnic groups, both in west and east Malaysia. Quoting from the same IWGIA source "They are collectively known as Orang Asal. The Orang Asli are the Indigenous Peoples of Peninsular Malaysia." -Jeblat (talk) 13:07, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Ah...how ignorant am I, my bad, didn't read the 1st paragraph. Orang Asil only for West Malaysia...Hmm... Got it. Thanks. --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 13:14, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Unclear sentence

The sentence "Semelai people and Temoq people speak Austroasiatic languages, with the latter are not distinguished in Malaysia as a separate people." is not structured sensibly.--Haruo (talk) 00:41, 1 August 2024 (UTC)