Talk:Oratorio

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Oratorio - you got to love it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.116.67 (talk • contribs) 12:12, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Sure, why not? Some of them are amazing. Antandrus (talk) 15:55, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Format of page

I just attempted to organize this article in sections as the new addition of oratorio vulgare and latino seemed to make it too long to not be broken up. Comments welcome. I'm not sure if it needs a stub (or if classical compositions would be the appropriate one), but I moved the current stub to the bottom in any case. I also think "Ensemble Singing" is fairly ambiguous. I assume the refers to duets or quartets between the soloists since choral singing is already covered, but I think it's a bit unclear. --MarkBuckles 21:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Oratorio erotico

I've just stumbled across this in es:WP and wanted to know more. Google search tells me that it's an established genre, being mentioned in numerous books in various languages, including the Oxford Companion to Music. Does anyone know enough to add it into the article? Scarabocchio (talk) 11:54, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

apollogise Music Lanka

Hi every one, i wanna apollogize about my edits on oratorio,now im learning about wikipedia policies,plase forgive me for that,and i wanna request about sri lankan composer Dinesh Subasinghe

• on google when you type Buddhist oratorio

https://www.google.lk/webhp?source=search_app#safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=buddhist+oratorio&oq=buddhist+ora&gs_l=hp.1.7.0l8j0i22i30l2.27516.37428.2.40335.29.15.11.0.0.2.722.4217.0j4j9j5-1j1.15.0...0.0...1c.1.12.hp.SeTN7HObsew&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46340616,d.bmk&fp=85cea3a5b3d6e174&biw=1280&bih=605

you can get many pages about him and his oratorio was very much popular in sri lanka ,and it was wrtien after ages,so i like to request from all editors to do what is reasonable for this project done by composer dinesh subasinghe,

i have met this composer few times and watch his musical voyage,please help me to write his two main projects he has done on Ravanahatha and Oratorio,please send me an answer,regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musiclanka (talk • contribs) 16:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

You have obviously met him more than "a few times". There are multiple photographs of this composer and images of his publicity posters in Wikimedia Commons [1], all of them uploaded by you in which you claim to have been the photographer/creator. Voceditenore (talk) 15:58, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Splitting off the list and adding a section

I am wondering if it might be suitable to add a section here devoted to sacred oratorios which do not use Christian Biblical texts/subject matter. There are several of them and I have enough references to write this section. I'd also suggest splitting off the current section "Selected list of notable oratorios" to a separate list article which is inclusive of all the oratorios with Wikipedia articles. These sorts of lists in articles, particularly ones with "Selected" and "notable", imply a value judgement and tend to create problems. There are varying personal judgements as to what constitutes notable in this context, e.g. is Julian Anderson's Heaven is Shy of Earth and John Du Prez's Not the Messiah (He's a Very Naughty Boy) rank right up there with Bach, Handel, Tippett, etc.? Such lists also attract additions from editors seeking back-links to articles which are clearly unsuitable for a list defined this way. Note also that Ilaiyaraaja's oratorio Tiruvacakam links not to an article about the work itself but to its inspiration, a 9th century volume of 51 Tamil devotional hymns. This would be another candidate for the section on non-Christian religious oratorios. Voceditenore (talk) 05:42, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I've been bold and split off "Selected list of notable oratorios" to a new article List of oratorios. It will contain all oratorios listed in Category:Oratorios (and its sub-categories). Voceditenore (talk) 14:25, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Please mention about the Dinesh Subasinghe's oratorio

please check the internet for sources ,Dinesh Subasinghe 's oratorio was a famouse one in Sri lanka.and it a buddhist oratorio based on buddha's life,plese mention it,i can forward many refrences regarding on that,thanx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.157.147.31 (talk) 05:04, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

See below. He is mentioned briefly in that section. However, I must say that the persistent attempts to publicise this composer and his recordings all over Wikipedia with extravagant and often completely erroneous claims are becoming very tiresome, e.g [2], [3], [4], [5] to name a few. Voceditenore (talk) 15:45, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

21st-century section added

I have added a section on 21st-century oratorios which focuses on the different religious traditions reflected in their texts and on some of the secular subjects used. I have added inline citations for the two works which have articles on their composers but not on the works themselves (Somei Satoh's Stabat Mater and Jonathan Harvey's Weltethos) On a general note, this article could use many more inline citations. Voceditenore (talk) 15:45, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Complete remake?

I don't think anyone will take offence at me stating that this article, as it is, is extremely lacking. Most shockingly for the undersigned, there is no mention of Haydn, The Creation, The Seasons or the late-18th-century oratorio in general. I think the first French oratorio to be mentioned is Stravinsky's Oedipus Rex. Other weaknesses should be easy to find without too much work.

Ideally, this article should look a whole lot more like the article on opera – it is hardly a less important genre. I do not have the time to do the remaking, I am afraid, unless we make a shortcut. Could the German article be translated, and used as a foundation for the later article?

I think the core of the German article seems very solid, even if it on occasion goes overboard with the sub-headings. Some parts are definitely more important than other. The related pop genres could probably be omitted, as they are very focused on the German lands; if a similar phenomenon exists in English, it may be added by specialists later. The same would be true of most if not all of the many one-line sub-headings for different nations. The real downside of using the German article as a template would of course be that the source material would be in German, and thus unavailable for the majority of readers.

No matter what we do, I think that the state of the article in German should be something to aim for. Sirion123 (talk) 23:37, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

The Victorian oratorio

Is it right to say that Elgar wrote oratorios to 'revive' the genre? 'Update', possibly - he uses a much more harmonically adventurous language and scoring than, say, Stainer - but as far as I'm aware he was writing for a public which sang (in amateur choral societies) and listened to lots of oratorio concerts. He probably wrote them for a whole load of reasons, not least it was his income, but to deliberately revive the form? - I'm not sure. TimothyRRColeman (talk) 18:44, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Compare opera

"Like an opera, an oratorio includes the use of a choir, soloists, an ensemble, various distinguishable characters, and arias." - Many operas don't use a choir, but in oratorios it often plays the leading role. Can someone word that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:09, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

I've changed the relevant sentences in the lead to:

Like most operas, an oratorio includes the use of a choir, soloists, an instrumental ensemble, various distinguishable characters, and arias. [...] In an oratorio the choir often plays a central role, and there is generally little or no interaction between the characters, and no props or elaborate costumes.

I debated between "many operas" and "most operas" and ultmately decided on "most". Operas with no chorus at all are relatively rare, and are generally chamber operas. Anyhow, feel free to tweak :-). Voceditenore (talk) 10:00, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

I like that. Just saw Tri Sestry - a great piece, no chorus. Die Walküre - no chorus. - I like your tweak. - Next: I miss sections on Classical and Romantic periods. On a day of catching up after mostly absence, or would do it myself. Haydn's, Mozart's Der Messias, Mendelssohn's Elijah. Where to put Debussy? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:08, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

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