Talk:Oregon Ballet Theatre

off topic content

I removed the following bits from the article, as they are off topic:

• (Stowell) is the son of Kent Stowell and Francia Russell, Founding Artistic Directors of Pacific Northwest Ballet in Seattle.
• Many of Damara Bennett's students have gone on to dance with professional companies such as Miami City Ballet, American Ballet Theatre, San Francisco Ballet, Boston Ballet, Oregon Ballet Theatre, New York City Ballet and Dutch National Ballet, as well as in Broadway productions and feature films such as Center Stage.

—EncMstr (talk) 17:53, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Performer listing?

I removed the addition of the list of performers on the basis of not a resume repository or program guide. These can be found at 2.6: not a directory—items 4) not a directory, directory entries, electronic program guide and, 8) a complete exposition of all possible details. My removal was reverted in good faith by Robertgreer with the reason this is long-established practice for dance companies and no different than, say, NY Yankees#Current roster.

I suspect this should be raised at Requests for Comment, but it appears several other ballet companies have similar listings. If sports teams do it, the logic goes, then everyone else should too. If that is true, then 2001: A Space Odessey is lacking several hundred names, since special effects teams are "performers" too, aren't they?

In such an article, there are no doubt notable performers, past and present, which should be mentioned and linked to their corresponding biographical article. But to list the whole company (or so it seemed) would be unlikely unless it happened to be a very special ensemble. The article is about the group and—to comply with WP:UNDUE—should mostly focus on the group. —EncMstr (talk) 04:02, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

A nearly identical matter was raised quite recently.

Quoting Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of San Francisco Ballet 2012 repertory:

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. 'Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page. The result was keep. User:Arxiloxos' comment best captures the rough consensus here. — Kubigula (talk) 04:20, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

And:

Keep all. After some reflection, I don't think any of the NOT arguments that have been raised apply here. This is certainly not "directory" information, in the usual understanding of what a directory is, nor is it indiscriminate. I don't think there is any policy reason requiring these articles to be deleted. Instead I think it comes down to editorial discretion; while I can understand why some editors might think this is information overload, I think that Robert Greer, DGG, and Jjwatt have articulated good reasons why this information is valuable and enhances the encyclopedic coverage of dance on Wikipedia. At that point, the editorial balance should come out in favor of making this information available for the audiences that are interested in it. And one might also consider that Wikipedia has not, as a general matter, done as good a job covering the fine arts as we have with popular culture. I would hope we could do both. — Arxiloxos (talk) 04:08, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

The difference between the dancers of the Oregon Ballet and the special effects technicians on 2001: A Space Odessey is that the former are performers and possess much the same unique talents as the New York Yankees. Special effects technicians would be more aptly compared with the grounds crew and clubhouse attendants at Yankee Stadium or the stagehands at the Keller Auditorium or Newmark Theatre, and nobody proposes adding the latter to this article — or the former to the Yankees'.

Nor does anyone propose deleting the players' names from the NY Yankees article, and the only difference between that article and this is that more people watch baseball than go to the ballet. — Robert Greer (talk) 21:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Rather than linking to this discussion, Robert Greer pasted the above at Talk:Houston_Ballet#Composition_section after I came to a conclusion similar to EncMstr (with whose statements above I agree). That discussion is now more in-depth than that which is here. I don't think the AfD discussion that Robert Greer pasted above (and at Talk:Houston_Ballet#Composition_section is really useful when discussing what content to keep in a main article (rather than whether to delete a WP:SAL). Regardless, I suggest that anyone who cares to comment, comment at Talk:Houston_Ballet#Composition_section so as to avoid parallel discussions. Novaseminary (talk) 03:00, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

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