Talk:Organizational chart

Types of organizational chart

Is it actually true that "there are three types of organization (sic) charts"? The items listed seem to be links to types of organizations, not charts (and I corrected the links assuming this)... and perhaps it was intended to mean that "each of these three types of organizations would have its own type of chart", but if so this needs to be rephrased. And I'm not sure if it would be relevant - sure the charts would look different for each of these three types of organizations, but aren't there also other organizational models for which this would be true? Pawl Kennedy 16:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

There are several types of organization charts depending on whether the main objects (boxes) are: *Organization Units (e.g., Office of the President, Sales Division, or Engineering) or

• Organizational Roles (e.g., President, Vice President of Sales, or Director of Engineering) or
• Organization Members (e.g., John Jones, President; Mary Baker, Vice President of Sales, or Charlie Brown, Director of Engineering.

I suggest that this article should include information about the syntax and semantics of formal organization charts which may include mixed forms:

• Organizations and Roles (e.g., a highest level organization object XYZ Corp. with a subordinate object President) or
• Two Roles in a Box/Object (e.g., Office of the Leader with both Leader and Deputy Leader in one box/object).

In the latter case:

• Internal Reporting Relationships - There is sometimes no graphical element depicting the relationship betwee the Leader and the Deputy Leader.
• External Reporting Relationships - If the Office of the Leader object is used, how should separate reporting relationships be shown for the Leader and the Deputy Leader? For example, the Leader may report to a superior Board, while the Deputy Leader does not.

Using these graphical constructions seems to be inconsistent with a strictly hierarchical set of relationships. It also appears that the organizational structure should not be forced to use a more general form such as a general Network.

As a minor point, the article does not cover inverted (upside down) or horizontal (left-to-right) orientations for hierarchical organization charts.

A quick Google search did not reveal any authoritative sources to provide improved content for this article. Can other contributors improve the article to cover these concerns, please?

JDAddelston (talk) 02:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Wiki implementation?

Organizational chart#Limitations of an organizational chart mentions problems which sound stereotypical of centrally-maintained data:

• It only shows 'formal relationships' and tells nothing of the pattern of human (social) relationships which develop.

• It shows nothing about the managerial style adopted (eg autocratic or democratic)

• It very quickly becomes out-of-date, especially in large organizations who change their staff regularly.

Would it violate WP:NOR to point out the staggeringly obvious, namely that each of the above problems could potentially go away in a wiki implementation of an organizational chart? For example, in a large organization which changes staff regularly, it's difficult for a central human resources manager to keep track of all the staff turnover in every department, let alone to chart the non-centrally-planned work relationships which form spontaneously in a bottom-up style. It would make more sense for the people who directly generate and use the information (the workers themselves, and their immediate managers) to maintain their own portions of the organizational chart. Most likely, in a pre-wiki organization, only a handful of specialists will have editing authority over the organizational chart, and they won't personally know most of the people on the chart. Thus the chart will only be as good as their personal knowledge of what everyone else is doing, and their motivation to maintain the chart as the workforce turns over. My first Google search finds no obvious examples of wikified organizational charts, but if I find something suitable to cite, I will cite it. Teratornis 22:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Cogmap (http://www.cogmap.com) is an organization chart wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.230.116.162 (talk) 17:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Org Chart Wiki Proves Very Popular but it's gone. this one is alive and it seems well But it blacklisted?--Elvey^(t•c) 18:13, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

References

Linkfarm cleanup

I removed all the external links to charting software per WP:EL, WP:SPAM, and WP:NOT#LINK. There was one set of internal links that could be incorporated into the article: OpenOffice.org Draw, but I don't see how to fit them in. --Ronz (talk) 17:08, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Ref. http://www.edrawsoft.com/Organizational-chart.php looks like a very commercial link to a software product? --ChrisTi (talk) 20:30, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Added a new tool. The existing link on there looks a little spammy. I get suspicious anytime I see ads above the fold or ads at all for that matter. Anyone opposed if I delete it? Bhanks (talk) 18:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

The "new tool" was appropriately removed as spam. --Ronz (talk) 19:44, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Drawing organizational charts

Looks like a nest of advertising to me. All internal links, though. I'm leaving it alone for now. Dlohcierekim 15:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Article Fragments?

In the Overview section, under the Functional Relationships discussion, it says:

board of directors : managing director chief executive officer: various departments... In many large companies the organization chart can be large and incredibly complicated and is therefore sometimes dissected into smaller charts for each individual department within the organization.

This fragment does not appear to be in context and it does not appear to provide complete sentences or a complete thought.

In the Limitations of an organization chart section, under the last bullet beginning "The best structure..." there is this fragment:

nships in an organization.

It seems to come from a phrase with the phrase "relationships in an organization".

For both of these instances, it is not clear what the authors' intended meaning is, so I am reluctant to attempt a repair.

JDAddelston (talk) 01:58, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Seems to have been fixed. All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 02:59, 26 March 2014 (UTC).