Talk:Ornge

Neutrality issues

The "Financial scandal and police investigation" section has serious neutrality issues. The scandal remains a significant part of the subject's history but at the moment the section is nowhere near the impartial tone required under NPOV. It currently seems to be focused on being a dramatic retelling of the expense scandals in lurid detail, rather than an impartial summary of the events.

There are also several issues with unreferenced claims (Kelly Long meeting Mazza as a water ski instructor, the entire "Web of Companies" subsection). RA0808 ^talk_contribs 05:59, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree that the content of the section is okay, but the tone needs "toning down". - Ahunt (talk) 11:40, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

The water-ski angle was mentioned by all four Toronto daily papers. I think the point is not to be lurid, but to indicate a lack of qualifications. It was previously covered in the other citations, which I thought would be sufficient, but is now explicitly referenced.

Nepotism seems quite clear, the CEO, Chairman, and HR VP all had friends or relatives hired.

The web of companies was well documented in the auditor general's special report, which was previously referenced elsewhere in the article, but which is now explicitly referenced.

If I may point out the 27 September edit by Soldacre -- Soldacre has no previous edits that I could find.Feldercarb (talk) 18:05, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

@Soldacre: As was said above, the content is not the issue. It is the tone. RA0808 ^talk_contribs 21:44, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

specifically? Feldercarb (talk) 00:23, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

perhaps a "scandal" is "scandalous" because the details are "lurid"? Feldercarb (talk) 16:56, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Pronounce

can someone please add what is the correct pronunciation? Different or the same as of "orange"? Thank you Vladivosta (talk) 13:17, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

I found an article saying it's pronounced as "orange", but not sure how to add it: https://www.cbj.ca/ornge_world_class_transport_medicine/ Vladivosta (talk) 13:24, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done - Ahunt (talk) 13:43, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• What I think should be changed (include citations): I am a paid employee of Ornge in their communications department. Ornge’s primary stakeholder is the (Ontario) public, and we want to make sure they have access to updated and accurate information about this air ambulance service. Much of the information on this page has not been updated in over 10 years, including substantive changes and updates which happened during and after the COVID-19 pandemic. I am happy to make these additions myself or with the help of experienced Wikipedia editors, but thought I should try the Request Wizard first as per Wikipedia’s suggestion. The specific additions I think should be included are an updated list of our bases & crew configuration, the fixed-wing fleet renewal, the launch of night vision goggles & powered stretcher system, Ornge’s participation in the Word’s first MAiD-at-home lung transport, the Blood on Board program, our new mental health transport team, Operation Remote Immunity, and the conclusion/result of the OPP investigation. I see that neutrality issues have been flagged on this talk page previously, but I do not have any immediate requests relating to the re-write of existing information, only additions of new information.

• Why it should be changed: As stated, much of the information on this page has not been updated in over 10 years, including substantive changes and updates which happened during and after the COVID-19 pandemic. The Ontario public (as well as people from across Canada) come to Wikipedia to learn about Ornge and we would like to ensure that the information on this page is up-to-date, accurate and reflective of the services offered. After thoroughly reviewing Wikipedia’s policies, (specifically WP:ENCYCLOPEDIC), I believe these new additions are both true and useful to the understanding of Ornge for public users. I have these additions already typed up with cited third-party sources, but wanted to engage here before making any additions myself. Any help or guidance from experienced editors would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance!

• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): I have all references and citations ready to go; if any experienced editor can provide guidance on how to move forward, I would gladly accept. Thanks again.

NorthernGlow (talk) 14:46, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi,

Could you please suggest the exact textual changes that you wish to make: i.e. actual additions along with relevant supporting references, also elements that you wish to delete.

Please note that paid editors should not edit the article themselves. Instead they should present the changes that they would like others to make, and then wait for those changes to be either approved or declined.

Regards, Axad12 (talk) 16:26, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello,

Thank you for the response! Here are some of the changes I would like to make:

What I think should be changed (include citations):

Delete "In 2012, Ornge and its associated companies employed more than 400 people, including paramedics, pilots and aviation specialists. Ornge has its own aircraft and land ambulances, with 12 bases across Ontario. It also contracts some operations out to independent service providers."

Add: "As of 2024, Ornge has the largest air ambulance and critical care land ambulance fleet in Canada, and employs more than 700 people, including paramedics, pilots, and aviation specialists. It serves more than 14 million people over one million square kilometres of land, deploying from 14 bases across Ontario as well as its Mississauga, Ontario, Canada headquarters. Ornge is responsible for approximately 20,000 patient-related transports per year. It also contracts some of its non-urgent patient transport service in Northern Ontario to private air carriers. [SOURCE: https://www.ornge.ca/Media/Ornge/Images/Campaigns/Strategic%20Plan%202024/Annual-Report-v6.pdf]

Why it should be changed: Outdated statistics replaced with current numbers

References supporting the possible change: https://www.ornge.ca/Media/Ornge/Images/Campaigns/Strategic%20Plan%202024/Annual-Report-v6.pdf

What I think should be changed (include citations):

Under History, add a new subsection "Leadership and Accreditation." Include the following body text: "In 2020, Dr. Homer Tien was appointed President and CEO, replacing Dr. Andrew McCallum (2013-2020). From 2015 to 2020, Dr. Tien served as Chief Medical Officer for Ornge, during which time, Ornge became the first air ambulance service to achieve accreditation in Ontario through Accreditation Canada, a third party healthcare accreditation body." [SOURCE: https://accreditation.ca/news/exemplary-standing-first-air-ambulance-service-achieves-accreditation-ac/]

Why it should be changed: Updated leadership and accreditation information

References supporting the possible change: https://accreditation.ca/news/exemplary-standing-first-air-ambulance-service-achieves-accreditation-ac/

I have more additions but don't want to overwhelm editors all at once! Let me know if these changes are acceptable and I will request the others. Thanks again! NorthernGlow (talk) 13:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Reply 14-NOV-2024

  Edit request declined  

1. The references provided are plain URL links, not formatted as the references in the article are. As Wikipedia is a volunteer project, edit requests such as yours are generally expected to have this formatting done before the request is submitted for review.

Regards,  Spintendo  16:58, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback! After reviewing Wiki:Citing Sources and Help:Wikitext#Cite web, I think I have formatted them correctly. I will re-paste the request below (which I have condensed for clarity); please let me know if this is appropriate or if a new COI request needs to be submitted. I am new to this and appreciate the help!

What I think should be changed (include citations):

Delete: In 2012, Ornge and its associated companies employed more than 400 people, including paramedics, pilots and aviation specialists. Ornge has its own aircraft and land ambulances, with 12 bases across Ontario. It also contracts some operations out to independent service providers.

Add: As of 2024, Ornge has the largest air ambulance and critical care land ambulance fleet in Canada, and employs more than 700 people, including paramedics, pilots, and aviation specialists. It serves more than 14 million people over one million square kilometres of land, deploying from 14 bases across Ontario as well as its Mississauga, Ontario, Canada headquarters. Ornge is responsible for approximately 20,000 patient-related transports per year. It also contracts some of its non-urgent patient transport service in Northern Ontario to private air carriers.

Add: In 2020, Dr. Homer Tien was appointed President and CEO, replacing Dr. Andrew McCallum (2013-2020). From 2015 to 2020, Dr. Tien served as Chief Medical Officer for Ornge, during which time, Ornge became the first air ambulance service to achieve accreditation in Ontario through Accreditation Canada, a third-party healthcare accreditation body.

Why it should be changed: Outdated statistics replaced with current numbers as well as updated leadership and accreditation information

References supporting the possible change: NorthernGlow (talk) 14:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Here are the sources in vertical format if that is more appropriate:

{{cite web

|url= https://www.ornge.ca/Media/Ornge/Images/Campaigns/Strategic%20Plan%202024/Annual-Report-v6.pdf

|title= Ornge Annual Report 2023/2024

|author= Ornge

|date= 1 October 2024

|website= www.ornge.ca

|access-date= 19 November 2024

}}

{{cite web

|url= https://accreditation.ca/news/exemplary-standing-first-air-ambulance-service-achieves-accreditation-ac/

|title= Exemplary Standing: First air ambulance service achieves accreditation with AC in Ontario

|author= Accreditation Canada

|date= 14 February 2019

|website= www.accreditation.ca

|access-date= 19 November 2024

}} NorthernGlow (talk) 14:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Updating Stats & Information

What I think should be changed (include citations):

Delete "In 2012, Ornge and its associated companies employed more than 400 people, including paramedics, pilots and aviation specialists. Ornge has its own aircraft and land ambulances, with 12 bases across Ontario. It also contracts some operations out to independent service providers."

Add: "As of 2024, Ornge has the largest air ambulance and critical care land ambulance fleet in Canada, and employs more than 700 people, including paramedics, pilots, and aviation specialists. It serves more than 14 million people over one million square kilometres of land, deploying from 14 bases across Ontario as well as its Mississauga, Ontario, Canada headquarters. Ornge is responsible for approximately 20,000 patient-related transports per year. It also contracts some of its non-urgent patient transport service in Northern Ontario to private air carriers. [SOURCE: https://www.ornge.ca/Media/Ornge/Images/Campaigns/Strategic%20Plan%202024/Annual-Report-v6.pdf]

Why it should be changed: Outdated statistics replaced with current numbers

References supporting the possible change: https://www.ornge.ca/Media/Ornge/Images/Campaigns/Strategic%20Plan%202024/Annual-Report-v6.pdf

What I think should be changed (include citations):

Under History, add a new subsection "Leadership and Accreditation." Include the following body text: "In 2020, Dr. Homer Tien was appointed President and CEO, replacing Dr. Andrew McCallum (2013-2020). From 2015 to 2020, Dr. Tien served as Chief Medical Officer for Ornge, during which time, Ornge became the first air ambulance service to achieve accreditation in Ontario through Accreditation Canada, a third party healthcare accreditation body." [SOURCE: https://accreditation.ca/news/exemplary-standing-first-air-ambulance-service-achieves-accreditation-ac/]

Why it should be changed: Updated leadership and accreditation information

References supporting the possible change: https://accreditation.ca/news/exemplary-standing-first-air-ambulance-service-achieves-accreditation-ac/

I have more additions but don't want to overwhelm editors all at once! Let me know if these changes are acceptable and I will request the others. Thanks again!

NorthernGlow (talk) 18:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

 Not Done. This seems to just be a duplicate of the request above so I am shutting it down. Please wait for a volunteer to attend to the original request rather than posting it again 10 days later. Axad12 (talk) 18:22, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Apologies! I wasn't sure if putting the request in a reply was appropriate or if I needed to submit a new/separate COI request. NorthernGlow (talk) 18:29, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

References

My son a ret'd RCAF veteran from the 1970's. underwent serious radical surgery at Sunnybrooke hospital this past Sept 19/24. He is at the hospital in Fergus & not doing so well. He will be transferred on Friday morning to the Kitchener hospital for more surgery. I just want to say he is totally facinated with your helicopters, hears them when they fly overhead. He is re'td Cpl Bill Reid 2604:6400:441E:AF00:EA67:61EA:0:8A9 (talk) 22:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)