Talk:Orthodox

Early text

Hmm. Original Nicene Creed? Well, it was revised at the first council of Constantinople, and THAT's what the self-styled 'Orthodox' use. So don't even pretend that what is said in orthodox churches is the wording written down in the 320s, because it isn't. Yes, the western church added the 'and the son' (see Filioque), but there were already revisions operating. --MichaelTinkler

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I would love to know what the "catacomb church" is. Also, I think most of the content on Orthodox Christianity should belong in Eastern Orthodoxy or Eastern Orthodox church or something like that. Here should just be a pointer to it. -- SJK

Simon, the 'catacomb church' is a code-word for people who think that some priests and bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church INSIDE Soviet Russia were somehow not compromised (in the catacombs). There was a valid, if irregular, Russian Orthodox Church Abroad which complicates matters considerably. Orthodox lines of communion or 'sobornost', to use the Russian technical term, are exceptionally complicated by the frequent mutual excommunication or simple refusal to be-in-communion with each other. And THEN there's the calendar dispute. Did you know that a sizeable (single-digit millions, probably, since the Romanians are involved) minority of the orthodox still don't recognize the Gregorian calendar. They are the Old Calendarists. They honestly say that since Christ was crucified on the Julian calendar we should stick to it. I am not exaggerating at all. Scouts' honor. --MichaelTinkler, whose hobby in the late 80s was Orthodox churches.

Michael, I was aware of the Old Calendarists, but not the 'catacomb church'. I'm having trouble following what your saying. Are you saying that the 'catacomb church' claims that they are the true church because they did not co-operate with the Soviets, and that the mainstream Russian Orthodox church are apostates for co-operating with the Soviet Government? -- SJK

yep. They claim that they are the 'true' orthodox. Because, of course, this sort of position is ecclesiologically difficult to defend (how do you find an ordained priest under these circumstances) different individuals go to different lengths, but typically they are in schism from the Russian Orthodox Church and look to groups outside Russia, like the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad, which now has missions *inside* Russia. The Russian Orthodox Church Abroad In Russia? I don't know. --MichaelTinkler

Merge

I would hope the other editors see the utility of linking this page to the larger more comprehensive disambiguation page and not keeping it as a redundant and divergently evolving echo of same. I think User:Editor2020 had the right idea back in March. Trilobitealive (talk) 20:25, 21 June 2008 (UTC) Go to Orthodox (disambiguation) and compare it with the version of this page before my edit and you'll see what I mean.Trilobitealive (talk) 20:27, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Long since merged. --Bejnar (talk) 16:52, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

What is a dab page? (rhetorical question)

I deleted the following:

• Correct belief as defined by a given Christian tradition, often referring to Trinitarian, Patristic and/or creedal theology

Why? Because a dab page is supposed to be a page where one goes to find lists of articles which specifically relate to the word itself. A dab page is not where editors redefine the word according to their points of view. See WP:DAB, WP:OR and WP:POV. Trilobitealive (talk) 16:28, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Roman state church

For early usage see: "Encylopaedia Britannica – Orthodox", retrieved 2013-05-19. Moved from dab page per Wikipedia:Disambiguation#References. ----Bejnar (talk) 16:52, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 6 March 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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Orthodox → Orthodox (disambiguation) – I propose to redirect 'Orthodox' to the broad-concept article Orthodoxy. Heanor (talk) 14:23, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

• Strong oppose: this will create numerous problems as most users are not familiar with religious terminology, e.g. that of Eastern Christianity, and will put hyperlinks to the broad concept instead of targetting the more precise, contextual meaning of the "Orthodox" word they are dealing with. Also, those precise, contextual meanings are not comprised in the broad-concept article, and are often unrelated as "orthodox" (meaning "following the right doctrine") is but a claim by some specific groups. Veverve (talk) 14:44, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. The religious term is not the primary topic, and even if it were it would most commonly refer to Eastern Orthodox Church rather than general religious orthodoxy. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:50, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.