Talk:Ottoman destroyer Samsun

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs) 12:23, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

I'll get to this shortly--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 12:23, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

• Fix the link to the source of File:Turkish destroyer Samsun.jpg so I can evaluate its copyright status.
  • All I'm getting is a link to the cityofart logo.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 11:51, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

    Hmm. Maybe check the Wayback Machine? (Edit: I have found the image on Langensiepen & Güleryüz, page 110.)e (talk) 01:40, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

    • Sadly, that book doesn't give enough information on the photo to determine copyright status and I've requested that all of the photos of the Samsun class be deleted. I'd suggest searching through the pre-1928 volumes on the Internet Archive of Jane's Fighting Ships or Brassey's Naval Annual to see what images that they might have. I will say that an image is not required for GA.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 02:26, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

      I found an image on Jane's, 1919 edition at p. 592 and I doubt its validity but otherwise yeah, let's just go for the no image path. e (talk) 02:57, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

• Capitalize Navy when preceded by a nation and move the link from Ottoman fleet to Ottoman Navy in the second sentence of the lede.
  • This is linked on second usage, still needs to be moved to first use.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 08:36, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

  Done e (talk) 12:49, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

• many missions such as patrols, escorting convoys against Allied submarines entering the Sea of Marmara, escorting battleships in the main fleet replace "such as" with "including", "entering" with "in" and rephrase "battleships in the main fleet" something like "the fleet's battleships"
• Replace dismantled with scrapped, including a link
• Replace "in full length" with long overall
• I would suggest deleting the sentence about the hull being made of steel; that was the standard by the time the ship was built and isn't notable
• Link decommissioned, displacement, vertical triple-expansion steam engines, water-tube boilers (and add Normand), Chantiers et Ateliers de la Gironde.
  • Normand boilers have their own article.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 08:36, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

  Done e (talk) 12:49, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

• Rephrase "the engines had" with "the engines produced"
• Figures for horsepower do not match between the main body and the infobox
• Tell the reader where the guns and torpedo tubes were located
• More later--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:55, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

  All done. e (talk) 01:33, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

• Be sure to tell the reader what type of ship each one is on first mention with links
• Redlink Marmaris?
• Be consistent about the name of the shipyard. Use whatever name it had in 1907.
• It did not engage in direct combat with Italian ships throughout the war This is seemingly contradicted in the very next para.
• Before the raid, the Ottoman fleet gathered off the coast of Kilyos, after which the ships sailed Not important
• around the harbor was unresponsive deactivated or turned off
• the Ottoman ships had left already
• According to the telegram sent from the Naval Command to the Deputy Commander-in-Chief at 22:30 on October 29, according to one of the captured Russian officers taken prisoner from the Prut, Awkward
• Link Bosporus, sister
• the crew of Başlangıç left it stranded ???
• ran aground in water four meters deep running aground and give a conversion for the depth
• Under the leadership of Samsun, which took over the escort duty, the ships, which were on blackout against Allied submarines, collided during the course change. Awkward
• its own engine power delete power
• who damaged the submarine had damaged
• I've fixed the entry for Conways for you, but you need to alphabetize the books in the bibliography--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 08:36, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

  Done, though I may have left a couple of things out that I've not noticed yet. Let me know if there are any e (talk) 12:49, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

  • Looks good. I'd encourage you to work on the rest of the ships of this class and the actual class article as well.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:48, 12 August 2023 (UTC)