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Requested move 23 August 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Per discussion below. (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans 03:10, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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• Our Song (Taylor Swift song) → Our Song
• Our Song → Our Song (disambiguation)

– Clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC per pageviews. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 21:00, 23 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:46, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: First relist. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:46, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Songs, WikiProject Women in Music, WikiProject Country music, and WikiProject Taylor Swift have been notified of this discussion. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:51, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support sure Red Slash 19:02, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose this primarytopic takeover proposal based on recent popularity. With so many topics there, disambiguation is better. Dicklyon (talk) 05:29, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

  Recent popularity? "Our Song" (Anne-Marie and Niall Horan song) was released three years ago and is still not as popular as this song that was released eighteen years ago. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 17:58, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Dicklyon. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Support This subject is 18 years old. A further evaluation rather than putting forth WP:RECENTISM in the arguments is warranted. Stretching back to 3 years to compare with Our Song (Anne-Marie and Niall Horan song), the pageviews support the claim that this song is the primary topic, with Taylor Swift song hold an average daily page view of 291 vs 42 of Anne-Marie and Niall Horn's. If we look back from when the pageviews are first recorded, Taylor Swift's song has consistently garner the top page view counts, with exception of when Anne-Marie and Niall Horan released their song (which also has a downward trend).

If we look at wikinav, for July 2024, it clearly indicates that those who land on the diambiguation page at Our Song are more likely than not to click on Taylor's Swift song article link. While I don't look into the raw clickstream data as closely as what @Joy does, I am inclined to think that this would also hold for most of the months, if not all of the months. – robertsky (talk) 05:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. It's interesting, there's very little traffic - it's hard to say much with 57 views, 17 outgoing clickstreams identified, and 13 filtered. Monthly traffic shows this July to be on the lower end of interest, so I looked at the archive and the picture is largely the same:

clickstreams from Our Song for the last year

From meta:Research:Wikipedia clickstream:

clickstream-enwiki-2023-09.tsv:

• Our_Song Our_Song_(Taylor_Swift_song) link 24
• total: 24 to 1 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2023-10.tsv:

• Our_Song Our_Song_(Taylor_Swift_song) link 36
• total: 36 to 1 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:

• Our_Song Our_Song_(Taylor_Swift_song) link 38
• total: 38 to 1 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:

• Our_Song Our_Song_(Taylor_Swift_song) link 33
• total: 33 to 1 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-01.tsv:

• Our_Song Our_Song_(Taylor_Swift_song) link 19
• total: 19 to 1 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:

• Our_Song Our_Song_(Taylor_Swift_song) link 22
• total: 22 to 1 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-03.tsv:

• Our_Song Our_Song_(Taylor_Swift_song) link 37
• total: 37 to 1 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-04.tsv:

• Our_Song Our_Song_(Taylor_Swift_song) link 30
• total: 30 to 1 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-05.tsv:

• Our_Song Our_Song_(Taylor_Swift_song) link 28
• total: 28 to 1 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-06.tsv:

• Our_Song Our_Song_(Taylor_Swift_song) link 21
• total: 21 to 1 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-07.tsv:

• Our_Song Our_Song_(Taylor_Swift_song) link 17
• total: 17 to 1 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-08.tsv:

• Our_Song Our_Song_(Taylor_Swift_song) link 16
• total: 16 to 1 identified destinations

This looks consistent, but even at its peak we can only prove that about 1 reader a day had to find the Swift song in the list, which isn't exactly a great data point. It's clear enough that we should start with formatting a common section at the top and put that entry there, and then try to measure if that helped readers.

If we look at the incoming traffic for the same period:

clickstreams to Our Song for the last year

From meta:Research:Wikipedia clickstream:

clickstream-enwiki-2023-09.tsv:

• other-empty Our_Song external 151
• other-search Our_Song external 32
• total: 183 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2023-10.tsv:

• other-empty Our_Song external 200
• other-search Our_Song external 19
• total: 219 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:

• other-empty Our_Song external 207
• Taylor_Swift:_The_Eras_Tour Our_Song other 31
• other-search Our_Song external 21
• total: 259 to 3 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:

• other-empty Our_Song external 204
• other-search Our_Song external 26
• total: 230 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-01.tsv:

• other-empty Our_Song external 35
• other-search Our_Song external 15
• total: 50 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:

• other-empty Our_Song external 31
• other-search Our_Song external 27
• total: 58 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-03.tsv:

• other-empty Our_Song external 31
• other-search Our_Song external 22
• The_Eras_Tour Our_Song other 10
• total: 63 to 3 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-04.tsv:

• other-empty Our_Song external 28
• other-search Our_Song external 17
• other-internal Our_Song external 13
• total: 58 to 3 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-05.tsv:

• other-empty Our_Song external 32
• other-search Our_Song external 23
• total: 55 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-06.tsv:

• other-search Our_Song external 26
• other-empty Our_Song external 24
• total: 50 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-07.tsv:

• other-search Our_Song external 24
• other-empty Our_Song external 20
• total: 44 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-08.tsv:

• other-empty Our_Song external 38
• other-search Our_Song external 30
• total: 68 to 2 identified destinations

The biggest spikes in traffic seemed to coincide with a time when the two Eras Tour articles linked to it, which was probably fixed since? The organic traffic could all be about Swift song, or it could be scattered, there's too little of it to avoid significant filtering (anonymization thresholds). --Joy (talk) 07:39, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Monthly pageviews indicate that, except for a couple of months when the Anne-Marie and Niall Horan song had just debuted, the Taylor Swift song has consistently maintained a commanding lead over the competing titles. Further, the WP:RECENTISM claim is weak here, given that the Taylor Swift song is nearly two decades old and that it has a large pageview lead over a more recently released topic. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:12, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Recentism doesn't seem to be at play here, since the Taylor Swift song has been getting a ton of pageviews for years. This seems like an open-and-shut primary topic to me. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:48, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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