Talk:Owls (album)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 13:53, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Will take this on; first review for you in a while! --K. Peake 13:53, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Replace hlist with bullet points per Template:Infobox album
• "debut studio album of" → "debut studio album by"
• Independent label introduction is not needed here when you provide this in the body
• "Owls is an" → "The album is an"
• "Pavement and Captain Beefheart." → "Pavement, and Captain Beefheart."
• Start a new para at the critical reception part
• "noted its influences from the members' other bands while some others" → "noted influence from the members' other bands, while others"
• Add a sentence after critical reception mentioning the album being ranked as one of the best emo albums by Rolling Stone
• "The album was promoted" → "It was promoted"

Background and production

• "namely, drummer Mike Kinsella," → "namely his brother Mike as drummer," or something similar per MOS:SAMESURNAME
• "guitarist Victor Villareal and" → "guitarist Victor Villareal, and"

Turns out he has a page at Victor Villarreal; swapped the link to that instead. Yeepsi (talk) 18:20, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

• Pipe Sam Zurick to Make Believe (band)
• "In September that year," → "In September 2000,"
• "with Mike Kinsella and" should this be "with the Kinsellas" per the source?

I thought Mike Kinsella wasn't a member of Joan of Arc until later on (when he actually was at the time of this album, I'm mistaken). Yeepsi (talk) 18:20, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

• [1] should solely be at the end of the last sentence
• "met with a" → "was met with a"
• [1] does not mention those sources calling it unlistenable
• "and The Chicago Tribune would" → "and the Chicago Tribune would"
• "in Japan before" → "in Japan, before"
• Introduction of "the band's debut album" is not needed here when it is provided in the lead
• Pipe mastered to Mastering (audio)

Composition

• Retitle to Composition and songs
• "of Pavement and the" → "of Pavement, and the"
• Pipe jazz blues to Twelve-bar blues
• "Tim Kinsella's stream-of-consciousness," → "Kinsella's stream-of-consciousness,"

Had to remove this since I removed the Portland Mercury ref. Yeepsi (talk) 18:20, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

• "bounced between plucked single-notes" → "went between plucked notes" because it does not say anywhere that they are single

Same as above. Yeepsi (talk) 18:20, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

• "is similar to his" → "was described as similar to his"
• "and anchor Tim Kinsella's" → "and accompany Tim's" per MOS:SAMESURNAME
• "The first tracks" → "The first two tracks"
• "include percussion such as bongos and tambourine." → "include bongos and tambourine." since these are the only instruments sourced
• "Kinsella sings about heredity and marriage while" → "Tim Kinsella sings about heredity and marriage, while"
• Add the year of "Who Goes Nazi?"
• "a math rock song with" → "a math rock song, with"
• "the record's musical forms;" → "the musical forms of Owls;"
• "vocal melodies and Kinsella's" → "vocal melodies, and Kinsella's"
• "refer to Tim and Mike Kinsella's cousin" → "refer to Tim and Mike's cousin" per us already knowing they have the same surname

Release and reception

Promotion and touring

• Retitle to Promotion, as touring is a form of this
• "was announced in" → "became public in"
• Remove independent label introduction and wikilink for Jade Tree
• Wikilink pre-order
• "July 31 the same year." → "July 31 of the same year."
• "the group embarked" → "the band embarked"
• "After the tour was completed," → "After the tour ended,"
• Move [8] to after the comma instead since refs should follow punctuation
• "in October 2002[22] and disbanded" → "in October 2002[22], before disbanding"

Critical response

• Retitle to Reception
• "He said Tim Kinsella's" → "He said Kinsella's"
• "Cleveland Scene writer Brian Baker" → "The Cleveland Scene writer Brian Baker"
• "wrote Kinsella was "warbling in" → "wrote Kinsella warbles "in"
• Wikilink CMJ New Music Monthly to itself per MOS:LINK2SECT
• Mention the full name of Stylus Magazine since it is not a publication where magazine is in brackets
• "and said the nonsensical lyrics" → "and noted the nonsensical lyrics"
• "at times" but with" → "at times", but with"
• the A.V. Club → The A.V. Club, as "the" is part of the publication's name
• ""orphan" list, which" → ""orphan" list for the 2000s, which"
• "list of the" → "2016 list of the"
• Pipe Vulture to Vulture.com

Track listing

• Good

Personnel

• Good

References

• Copyvio score looks pretty good at 30.9%!!
• The Chicago Tribune → Chicago Tribune on ref 5
• Ref 10 is written by a contributor for the fanzine; is this really a reliable source?

The publication is listed at WP:ALBUM/SOURCE. Yeepsi (talk) 18:20, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

• Remove or replace ref 14 since it is a bi-weekly tabloid and does not have many staff members
• Are you sure ref 15 is reliable; the staff seems to be quite low?

They have a large amount of writers listed here and on the various print editions (the latter is a little annoying as they're listed on separate pages as opposed to all being on one page). Yeepsi (talk) 18:20, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

• Ref 16 needs to work as a citation so clicking on it directs down to the source
• Stylus → Stylus Magazine on ref 24
• Pipe Vulture to Vulture.com on ref 28 per MOS:LINK2SECT
• Wikilink CMJ New Music Monthly

External links

• Good

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until everything is fixed; nice job for the most part! --K. Peake 17:01, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: Made the changes. Yeepsi (talk) 18:20, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@Yeepsi: ✓ Pass now, only did some very brief copy editing and the sources you provided are acceptable now. --K. Peake 07:54, 22 November 2021 (UTC)