Talk:Pão por Deus

Requested move 30 May 2024

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. Andrewa (talk) 02:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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Pão-por-Deus → Pão por deus – Correct spelling according to Portuguese dictionaries: Priberam and Aulete. Santoro seems to be a synonym. RodRabelo7 (talk) 13:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Holidays and WikiProject Portugal have been notified of this discussion. RodRabelo7 (talk) 13:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

@RodRabelo7, fwiw, "Deus" in almost all languages should at least be first letter capitalized. If it means Bread for God, then, move to Pão por Deus. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Move to Pão por Deus: Per my above comment, also used in sources [1], [2], [3], and [4]. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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•  Comment: @SafariScribe: I wasn't notified of your comment. Usually dictionaries register commons nous without capitalized letters: ave-maria instead of ave-Maria, for instance (Hail Mary), macaco-do-japão instead of macaco-do-Japão (Japanese macaque). RodRabelo7 (talk) 07:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  I understand where you are heading to but Wikipedia works with sources which I already provided in the discussion. Since this is Catholic related, I am a clergy and thus, knows how it's done. 'God' would by default be stated in any place except religion as 'god'. However it's same capitalized in dictionaries, see Deus in number three with the line com inicial maiúscula meaning capitalized from Portuguese. In English it is still.applicable to use Capitalized first I.e sentence case for a proper nouns. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 09:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  I understand your point and I won't extend this much further. When I opened the move request, I did so with the aim of renaming the article based on lexicographical grounds, as the italicization of its title indicated it was a foreign word, such that, according to my particular understanding, dictionaries in the native language are the most reliable sources possible on the subject. Indeed, some sources use the term "pão por Deus", but certainly some others use "pão-por-Deus", making the renaming unnecessary from this perspective. "Deus" does not necessarily have its first letter always capitalized; examples of this are the Portuguese words "deus-dará" and "louva-a-deus", to mention just a few that I remember now. The existence of hyphens changes nothing, as its use follows some rather inconsistent rules from the last orthographic agreement of the language, from 1990. By the way, the Michaelis dictionary entry you cited records the expression "creio em deus pai" and "creio em deus padre" as synonyms for the Apostles' Creed, and the existence of other expressions in which "Deus" is used with a capital letter seems to indicate that it is not a mere error. Thanks, RodRabelo7 (talk) 06:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)