Talk:Pūkorokoro / Miranda

Requested move 29 March 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved buidhe 05:03, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

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Miranda, New Zealand → Pūkorokoro / Miranda – There's been a formal change of name that's happened at this place; they now have a dual name as shown. Miranda itself is just some spread out houses. What they are mostly known for is the Shorebird Centre, run by a trust with an international reputation. The other thing that is more widely known is the hot springs. All of this was successively renamed in 2014 and 2015. Rather than write a long rationale here, I've expanded the article and explained it there. Of most significance, I suggest, it that the trust renamed itself and is now known as the Pūkorokoro Miranda Naturalists' Trust. Any dual naming is potentially controversial and a formal move request is thus in order. Schwede66 06:15, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Note that there is a hill called "Pukorokoro" nearby. But the sources that I can see do seem to show that the place called "Miranda" has been renamed and WP:NATURAL might apply anyway. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:56, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes. And a stream: “The New Zealand Geographic Board added to the proposal that the local hill Pukorokoro be renamed to receive a macron and that the same would happen to Pukorokoro Stream.” Schwede66 20:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose title with slash (/). The source used, [1], uses simply Pukorokoro Miranda, which I also support, with no slash nor diacritic mark (Pūkorokoro). And while the slash is okay in mainspace, it is still used in the Talk namespaces, so Talk:Pūkorokoro / Miranda presents problems (see Wikipedia:Subpages). P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 02:49, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

• @Paine Ellsworth: Thanks for your thoughts. I'm not sure why I haven't referenced the New Zealand naming conventions in the proposal. My apologies. That would have touched on both issues raised by you. Firstly, there is now acceptance that where Māori names are used for geographic places, macrons are used if the New Zealand Geographic Board has made their use official (for many places, the use of a macron is unresolved). Secondly, the naming conventions mention that there are a number of dual place names and state that where the dual name is the common name, then a spaced slash is to be used. A subpage lists the 15 cases (thus far) where this applies. Schwede66 03:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

• To editor Schwede66: I should be the one giving you an apology! Didn't do enough research, and it appears that the spaced slash does not present the same problems in talkspace as does the unspaced slash, for example, at Talk:Biel/Bienne and Talk:Biel/Bienne (administrative district), both of which at a glance look like subpages of Talk:Biel. Talk:Biel, the talk page of a redirect, is linked near the top of those pages directly beneath "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". That doesn't happen on talk pages with the spaced slash, see here and here. The macron seems okay, as well. So I withdraw my "oppose". P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 05:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

• Support. See my response to the nom above. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 05:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

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The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.