Talk:P. K. Subban

Restored

This article has been thrice deleted under G4 on the basis of a 15 month old AfD; despite the fact that, in the interim, Subban has accumulated significantly more notability, particularly as evidenced by the vast amount of news coverage after his all-star performance at the 2009 juniors. I've restored the article. -- Samir 07:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

French or Anglais?

Do people know?74.64.119.118 (talk) 00:08, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I can only guess that you are asking if he an anglophone or a francophone, right? Subban is an English speaker. Dbrodbeck (talk) 18:14, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Hyphenation of name

CanWest doesn't use a hyphen. The Vancouver Sun doesn't use a hyphen. NHL.com doesn't use a hyphen. The Toronto Star doesn't use a hyphen. There is a Facebook page that uses a hyphen, but there's nothing to suggest it's official, or was created by Subban himself, as opposed to a fan. The overwhelming evidence (including the fact that he's apparently not francophone) supports there not being a hyphen in his name. Unless someone can come up with some good evidence for it, I think his full name should be given here as it is by most media and NHL sources, i.e. sans hyphen. --76.28.236.209 (talk) 20:10, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

hat trick

We should add the 3 goal game he had against wild, it was the first time a habs defenceman rookies has done this feat — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xaviourte1992 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Xaviourte1992, 26 March 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} To add the hat trick game he had against the wild, it was the first time a habs rooky defencemen did this feat.

Xaviourte1992 (talk) 23:13, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. If you have a reliable source that verifies this information, please make a new edit request with the citation. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:45, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

PK was born in Malton

PK Subban was born in Malton, Ontario. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.97.182.80 (talk) 08:35, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Space between initials

I think the space in "P. K." should be removed. Almost all usage in the media and other references including the NHL and Canadiens use "P.K.". 99.245.230.74 (talk) 03:11, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

As I (same editor, different address) didn't get a response to the above request, I opened a discussion at Talk:Montreal Canadiens#P.K. Subban where it was suggested to return the conversation here and ask at WP:HOCKEY which I also did. Following is that discussion. 99.246.116.118 (talk) 04:32, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

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Please can the space between Subban's initials be removed to match the usage by all references? I think the primary page should be P.K. Subban and P. K. Subban be made the redirect as opposed to the current reverse situation. Here are some primary references:

• P.K. Subban player profile at NHL.com
• P.K. Subban profile and statistics at TheAHL.com
• P.K. Subban biography at Legends of Hockey (archived)
• P.K. Subban player profile at TSN.ca
• P.K. Subban at Hockey-Reference.com
• P.K. Subban career statistics at The Internet Hockey Database
• P.K. Subban career statistics at EliteProspects.com

Scrolling through the Google results for "P. K. Subban" the first non-Wikipedia result with the space was about 125th. 99.246.116.118 (talk) 08:26, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Each publication has in-house style guidelines that dictate how the spacing is done. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Abbreviations#Initials for Wikipedia's style guidance. isaacl (talk) 09:22, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the responding however the link you supplied is misleading as it contains a contradiction. The intent of these 2011-06-28 additions wasn't that initials must be followed by a space, but that when followed by a space, the space should be non-breaking. By "The main section for this topic is" it defers to the previously existing Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Middle names and abbreviated names which states "There is no consensus for always using spaces between initials, neither for never using them." In lieu of a Wikipedia guideline the article should be named following the overwhelming usage by reference sources. 99.246.116.118 (talk) 02:04, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

External references simply follow their own style guidelines. Perhaps you can ask at the bio=yes page if the hockey project has a preferred style. Continuing the conversation thread on Talk:P. K. Subban is probably better than moving it to this page. isaacl (talk) 03:17, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

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The Generally accepted convention, in academia, etc. for names is to have the space between the initials because there are two names being abbreviated. You write the name in full as Pernell Karl, not PernellKarl, thus the same format should be used for the initials. Thus the space. The references you provide above are, mostly, irrelevant as the space or no space is not a name thing, but a style thing, and per Wikipedia's policies, the style does not need to be the same as the references provided. Additionally, see other examples like H. G. Wells or abbreviations when a person has two middle names, such as George H. W. Bush. Conclusion: The space is standard and should not be changed. Ravendrop 05:22, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

According to the above Wikipedia has no such style convention. H. G. Wells and George H. W. Bush are likely used because that follows their personal usage, whereas Subban uses P.K. 99.246.116.118 (talk) 05:53, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Well put Ravendrop. Dbrodbeck (talk) 13:25, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

In general Wikipedia does follow the space rule it even says so in the link you link to above. And often people will correct them if they do not have the space. I know at the hockey project we do always fix articles to have the space between them. -DJSasso (talk) 15:31, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

That seems to ignore the best authority, P.K. himself and is contrary to WP:COMMONNAME, but OK if this personal style is the WP:HOCKEY consensus. 99.246.116.118 (talk) 17:23, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

BTW, you misread the link, yes it says in general Wikipedia adds the space but it explicitly states it is not a Wikipedia rule. There is no consensus for always using spaces between initials. 99.246.116.118 (talk) 18:39, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm curious as to what your source is for your claim that "Subban uses P.K." instead of P. K. I see no evidence of this in the references you provided nor could I find any others. Ravendrop 02:06, 4 June 2012 (UTC) Ravendrop 02:06, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

How about his personal twitter account? 99.246.116.118 (talk) 08:10, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

While it does lend some weight, in my opinion, it's still a matter of style (thus subjective and not dependent on the source) than spelling (i.e. dependent on the source), so I would lean to keeping the space for consistency with other WP:HOCKEY articles (see the list of examples provided on the WP:HOCKEY talk). If you still feel a change is necessary, and because this could potentially impact all those other articles, I would encourage you to repost on the wp:hockey talk page with the "official" (note that Twitter isn't considered a WP:RS, often even if it is the confirmed "official" account) so that a wider discussion can occur. (Things often take a heck of a lot time on here, especially when one person wants to change (whether or not its right) something that has been done for ages). Ravendrop 08:20, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

No there might not be be a wiki wide consensus to use the space, but there clearly is one in the hockey project. In an absence of a wiki wide consensus it often falls to projects to have their own. And common name would refer to spelling or completely different names. Lack of a space or not is just a case of style guides. I agree with Ravensdrop. -DJSasso (talk) 11:42, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

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Scoring lead in 2013

In the article head, it is stated that Subban "was the leading scorer amongst all defencemen" in 2013. But as can be verified on NHL.com, he was in fact tied for the lead with Kris Letang. Maybe the sentence would be more accurate if it read "leading goal scorer amongst all defensemen" or just by specifying that he is tied with Letang. Gagnon88 (talk) 14:33, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

I revised it to specify he was tied with Letang b/c he wasn't the leading goal scorer...Mike Green was. GLG GLG (talk) 19:51, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

+/- in stats

it's important, for reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.48.181.80 (talk) 22:19, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

It really isn't, actually. Nor is it something I think we want to add to several thousand articles. Resolute 18:57, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

History of diving and fines

Should there not be a mention of his reputation for diving and the fact he set a record in the NHL for number of fines for embellishment? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.27.160.89 (talk) 04:49, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Not if you don't have a source for this supposed record. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 06:42, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

There is no such thing as a record for this. However yes, the fact that he was fined as many times as he was is relevant and warrants mention in prose. However, please ensure that any statement you choose to add is both neutrally worded, and is supported by a reliable source. A TSN/ESPN or other news story on his latest fine would be sufficient for that. Thanks, Resolute 17:18, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Alternate captain?

The article's lead currently says that Subban "is" an alternate captain; the body says that he was named alternate captain in September 2014, citing a news report from that time. However, the top photo, dated January 2015, shows his uniform without an A on it. Is he no longer an alternate captain, is the A in an unusual position, or what? --76.69.45.64 (talk) 11:20, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

His A alternates (along with one other, for two each game) with three other players. Gallagher, Plekanec and Markov. Dbrodbeck (talk) 12:05, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Childhood?

Surprised that Subban's childhood's not discussed here. I heard his dad made a backyard rink for him. Seems like a worth bit of background. --Smilo Don (talk) 16:43, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Olympics in the lead?

Does this really belong in the lead? He only played in one game in the preliminary round.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 23:32, 12 June 2017 (UTC)