Talk:PAOK FC

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how can we fix the table so it doesnt interfere with the sports team infobox? - Stoph 20:12, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry guys i wanted to do something impressive but i ruined it.please fix it.

NAME

I EDIT THE NAME - and the meanings of the P.A.O.K in english into a more understanding version of it for non greeks- its not wrong and better for understanding - thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.180.59.181 (talk) 23:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

also see the other wiki page of PAOK - " PAOK THESSALONIKI "

Reverts

User:Gx25, please stop changing the "Greeklish" (English Transliteration) to Greek. This is English Wikipedia. Most visitors to these articles do not understand the Greek Alphabet, and will not be able pronounce name of the club. It's like someone going to Greek Wikipedia and changing all the English article names to their actual English...(eg. Μάντσεστερ Γιουνάιτεντ to Manchester United). Dragases 10:28, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I put all three Greek Greeklish and English translation so the matter is solved.

Merger proposal

The two entries, PAOK and PAOK FC, are practically identical. We should keep the best of the two and merge them into one article, with the appropriate redirects. I suppose this page, i.e. PAOK FC, is the one that should stay up and the other merged into it. -The Gnome (talk) 09:28, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

They shouldn't be merged. The Athletic club of PAOK is different to the the football department.MetroStar (talk) 11:11, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

The texts are practically identical, though! At least, the two entries should truly be made distinct (i.e. different text for each entry) and then a direct tag added on both.The Gnome (talk) 09:50, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

PAOK is a multisport team with 17 departments[1]. It is wrong to merge the main article with the football article.Sportin (talk) 11:25, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Bad idea to merge. Keep them seperate and remove the tag ASAP at the top of the article suggesting a merge.Reaper7 (talk) 17:34, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Should not merge. PAOK covers the history of the club, its unique social and political background while PAOK FC has to do with the football section of the club, current squad etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.67.77.226 (talk) 11:24, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

The current status is confusing and the comments above prove it. If the consensus is Don't Merge, then both entries must be cleaned up. One entry should be clearly about the professional football (soccer) team and corporation -- while the other should be about the other sports, i.e. basketball, etc. Perhaps we could follow the example of the entries for Barcelona's football club and their basketball club .The Gnome (talk) 12:00, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Definitely Don't Merge. PAOK FC is a football club, while PAOK refers to the sports club, which contains various sports, excluding football (and also basketball and voleyball. (Allinthebrain (talk) 21:47, 11 April 2009 (UTC))

notable managers

i am not sure that the managers added at that section are all notable —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipaok (talk • contribs) 14:49, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

the shirts

the shirts doesn't look like the real shirts of 2009-10 season —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipaok (talk • contribs) 15:08, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Calculations of fan base

I removed the unacceptable calculations about PAOK fans per the related policy. You can't add the percentages in the way that you did, because in the research we talk about a sample and not the total population. Simple maths.. - Sthenel (talk) 00:40, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

PAOK F.C. finished 4th in the 2008-2009 Super League Greece

It is clearly stated in the league's website[2] that the overall classification is based on play-offs' results, too, as it is also stated in the league's play-offs rules: "Με την ολοκλήρωση των αγώνων, συντάσσεται νέα κατάταξη βάσει της οποίας η ομάδα με την καλύτερη συγκομιδή καταλαμβάνει την 2η θέση στο Πρωτάθλημα της Super League και οι ομάδες που ακολουθούν καταλαμβάνουν αντίστοιχα, την 3η, 4η και 5η θέση στο Πρωτάθλημα της Super League." {in Greek[3]

Also, "according to a 2007 researchSuperLeague-sponsored market research, May 2007 in Greek, about 9% of all active Greek football fans support PAOK, with the club's strength being mainly in Thessaloniki, where support is 38%, and the rest of Northern Greece, where support is 30%."

I can clearly understand that certain people who edit this article are illiterate and don't know both how to perform simple mathematical operations (like simple sums and divisions, so as to get the percentages of PAOK's fan base) and how to read (either in Greek or in English, so as to know this team finished overall 4th and not 2nd last year). Thus, I provided countless times both the official Super League Greece 2007 survey as to each team's fan base and, in a comment, written in Greeklish {since this is a Greek team, and most editors are Greeks}, how exactly those percentages are calculated based on the survey AND in a NPOV statement the team's position in last year's regular season league classification table (2nd) and in the overall league classification table (4th).

However, I notice these things keep getting edited over time and time again so as to reflect each editor's personal views on how many fans support this team and on what its position on the overall league classification position should be. Thus, I am left with no choice but to ask for this article to be protected, if certain people don't refrain from editing yet again these two points in this article.

Furthermore, I should say that the due thing would be to edit the position of the team in the league classification table into 4th, as this was the overall and final, but, I have refrained from doing so in this team's article, or the articles of the other teams which qualified for the league's play-offs last year, stating both the regular season and the overall position in a way to keep this information NPOV. Thus, I expect the same thing to happen this year, too, regardless of which teams qualify for the play-offs.Heracletus (talk) 11:42, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I guess this year that PAOK F.C. finished second in the play-offs, the regular season position will keep disappearing, as the overall one kept disappearing last year? :P Heracletus (talk) 19:18, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I can also confirm that the final team position is the one held AFTER the playoffs. in 2008-09 PAOK was 4th and in 2009-10 PAOK was 2nd. The problem is how to present it on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.231.198 (talk) 21:46, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Section Headers - "Rennaisance" cleanup

Replaced the previous headers with time periods, like 1926-1953 and so on, to separate the text more effectively. Also did some cleanup and extended the "rennaisance" section - more footnotes and references coming up. Also a lot of work needs to be done in the 1985-1996 and 2003-2007 periods.Filippos Greece (talk) 11:45, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

pronounciation of the name

Just a quick question. Do you pronounce each letter of the name as in "Pee Ay Oh Kay" or do you say it all as one word, like people seem to do with CSKA by pronouncing it CheSKA? Thanks. 98.102.113.194 (talk) 19:55, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

reply: pronounciation of the name

Correct pronunciation is "PAOK" as a single word, not by the initials. Also, using the english pronunciation for greek letters in the greek language (the greek form is Π.Α.Ο.Κ.) would be a little weird, don't you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filippos Greece (talk • contribs) 11:17, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

paok has the 75% of thessaloniki and the 70% of the northern greece —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.235.19.18 (talk) 09:38, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

the other 25% is your dad? Heracletus (talk) 18:47, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Pan-Thessalonikian/Pan-Thessalonian

I have said this many times, but there is no such thing as a Thessalonikian. The correct English term for someone from Thessaloniki is Thessalonian. Philly boy92 (talk) 00:29, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 20:39, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

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PAOK F.C. → PAOK FC (over redirect) — I understand the desire for internal consistency between Greek football clubs, but to use dots for part of a name and then stop for the sake of consistency is going too far. Unless we're going to overhaul all Greek clubs (which I'm not advocating), this should be considered an exception to the established convention. --WFC-- 04:03, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

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• Support agree there should be consistency between use of dots in the different parts of the article's name Eldumpo (talk) 09:10, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
• Could you clarify what the problem is? That PAOK is not P.A.O.K. ? Sandman888 (talk) 09:12, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Yeah. It should either be P.A.O.K. F.C. or PAOK FC. I've only nominated the latter as an option because the former is clearly less desirable. --WFC-- 01:47, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

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Supporters section

The part about organized supporters being used by politicians seems highly speculative, unless some citation is given it should propably be deleted or rephrased. 138.246.2.73 (talk) 20:25, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

A lot of stuff in userspace nominated for deletion

Please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Kostasneymar and consider whether the contents of User:Kostasneymar are useful to improving this or any article. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:24, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

• Note the page was deleted, but has been temporarily restored to User:SmokeyJoe/Kostasneymar to give all y'all more time to see if you want it. WilyD 14:12, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Cleanup of recent history

The last part of the history section included such phrases as "epic win" and "thrilling comeback". I cleaned up the language and tried to make the section more coherent.

Also, I think we need some citation on the Europa League money lost and the amount of money invested by Savvidis. 85.72.76.137 (talk) 17:32, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: moved. Xoloz (talk) 17:54, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

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PAOK F.C. → PAOK FC — Most sources refer to PAOK FC, not PAOK F.C. (see their Official website and UEFA page). 18:32, 25 May 2014 (UTC).

• Oppose - as unnecessary. There is no clear consensus on this and it is my understanding that either is acceptable. Some people say that as an abbreviation it should have the ".", others not. Please also see the other RM above this. Fenix down (talk) 09:28, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
• Support I agree that the punctuation is unnecessary and that either is acceptable, so why include it? WP:CONCISE supports this argument, though I admit it's a fairly trivial matter either way. --BDD (talk) 18:01, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

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• Support per User:BDD and my recent arguments at WT:FOOTY. – PeeJay 18:05, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
• Support per nom. GiantSnowman 19:50, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

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I added only SOURCED material so everyone to be satisfied and trying every objection to be satisfiedGreco22 (talk) 21:20, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I have to say that now this is the only article of Greek football teams that is fully and strictly referenced. Greco22 (talk) 21:22, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Added important events in PAOK FC History

Hello. I made an effort to write down important events in PAOK FC history that were not included in the article. For example 1)Koudas 2-year absence that fueled Olympiacos-PAOK rivalry 2)All the Greek Cup Finals 3)1972-73 season, Olympiacos-PAOK game with referee Fakis and 3-5 shock defeat by Panachaiki 3)1976-77 season 4)1979-80 PAOK-Panathinaikos match with referee Litsas that ended a 62-game unbeaten home record 5)Death of Lorant at Toumba Stadium 6)1987-88 season, 6-1 win over Olympiacos and matches with Napoli that followed next season 7)All the important events of Voulinos era 8)2009-10 season, Aris-PAOK game with referee Spathas 9)2017-18 eventful season with 2 matches decided by court decision (i wrote down only the events, not assumptions) etc. My intention was to write everything down from a neutral point of view and not from a devoted PAOK fan point of view. For example, i wrote down that after PAOK-Panathinaikos 0-0 in 1976-77 season there was huge disappointment for team performance which did not meet expectations. I also wrote down that in 2016-17 Greek Cup PAOK scored a controversial second goal with Pedro Henrique who was in an offside position. I also suggest that some parts must be shortened. For example, i believe that parts for 1971-72 and 1973-74 Greek Cup titles are too big. Of course, many seasons of the team that ended with a mid-table finish were not included. As for PAOK managers, i believe that managers like Skocik, Bajevic should be mentioned because they won titles but the article can be shortened if some of them are excluded (like Vucotic, Dumitrescu etc.). If anyone wants to add references from neutral sources you are most welcome. Thank you Abudabanas (talk) 07:41, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Cleaned up a bit of vandalism

Hi there. The first paragraph of the article referred to PAOK as an "unprofessional" football club. I changed that back to "professional". The same paragraph, last sentence, said that the club is "best known for allowing their owner to come to pitch with a gun". While this did happen, it is clearly not what the club is best known for so I removed it from the text. Audiohazel (talk) 03:22, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Reassessment

As of 8 April 2020, the article has been raised by an experienced editor from Start-Class / Low-Importance to B-Class / Mid-Importance on the WikiProject Football. I added a lot of references, tables , tags and tried to avoid major grammatical errors and write things down from a neutral point of view. I hope that future editors will persist on neutral writing and aim for the GA-Class (good article status). I'd personally be interested on how to further improve the article and any suggestions from expert editors are more than welcome. Thank you. Abudabanas (talk) 11:51, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2021

PAOK FC has started developing talks with george ogg the new coach of kelty hearts Myloh44432 (talk) 01:56, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:38, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

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PAOK's shirt this season

Hello, I would like you to make PAOK's jersey this year because I can't and don't know how to create a shirt in Wikipedia (I'm not a Paok Fan) Themadridista14 (talk) 22:22, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

PAOK FC LOGO ISSUE

This logo has some visual issues. The "shining / glowing" parts on the wings are different, distorted and their quality is degraded compared to the original (official) logo. Also, the glowing parts in each wing, go "out of bounds".

The black "curved" design (frame) above "ΠΑΟΚ" text, is not a perfect (like the original logo) curve. I have the official logo, but I can't edit the page.

Pkslnc (talk) 17:45, 13 November 2023 (UTC)